Regal-owned theaters = criminal-safe zone

[Car Knocker]

Baring arms = exposing your upper extremities

Bearing arms = carrying a weapon

 

[ID_shooting]

"What can they do? Ask you to leave?"

If they see it by some stroke of dumb luck?

not much other than call in to teh cops with a "man with a gun" story. Have the cops come drag me off in cuffs or worse, draw down on me thinking I am a bad guy (not a good place to be with Boise PD's reputation) and plaster me all over the evening news till it is all sorted out.

Even though I would come out if OK in the end, still not a road I want to travel.

 

[taliv]

i'm still on the fence on property rights too

however, does regal have the right to prevent you from bringing your own popcorn? any of the lawyers out there know if SCrOTUS has ever decided a similar case?

 

[ajkurp]

I don't consider myself one of the sewers of society. (That was intentional) But in the event the scenario works out like you suggest, a scum sucking lawyer could make their error painful for them.

 

[cordex]

FYI, this is the reply I got:

From: Clint Roberts [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 2:34 PM
To: *****@benswenson.com; [email protected]
Subject: Comment Response

July 11, 2006

Dear Sir/ Ma'am :

Thank you for taking the time to communicate your concerns regarding our facility security policies. Please understand that Regal Entertainment Group, with the assistance of safety experts and law enforcement personnel, has developed policies and procedures designed to provide the safest environment for our guests and employees. Rest assured these policies and procedures are not designed with the intent to inconvenience or otherwise cause hardship to our guests. However, we believe these policies appropriate to assure the general safety of all guests and employees.

Again, thank you for taking the time to advise us of your concerns.

Sincerely,
Clint Roberts
Senior Customer Relations Associate


Comment:
It has come to my attention that Regal Entertainment Group has a corporate policy which prohibits carrying a firearm whether or not the carrier is licensed by the State to do so. Please clarify: is this a regional policy or an overall corporate policy? Does the No Guns policy apply to licensed individuals as well as non-licensed individuals? Thank you, -Ben

 

[eastwood44mag]

IIRC, unless state law prohibits carrying in the establishment, all they can do is kick you out--a lot lighter sentence than being carried by six.

 

[ID_shooting]

Wow Cordex,

I send mine last Friday I haven't heard a thing yet.

 

[sm]

Excellent letter and I appreciate the replies.

I am not in Idaho, nor am I familar with your laws.

1. Is this sign a Legal sign?
Here in Arkansas, if a business posts a sign stating no CCW, it must meet legal definitions on size and wording.
Otherwise, one may disregard - except in those instances where State Regs state one cannot CCW anyway - i.e. State Gov't bldg for instance.

2. Sounds like a Corporate Policy to cover themselves for certain insurance rates.
Now as to whether the company is for or against firearms or CCW ...one might need to investigate.

3. Time to pull up other cases of Corporations we have shared here on THR that had attitudes similar.
Time to educate, cite documentations to prove our points.

Sounds like Corp CYA letter to me masking the fact 1) insurance companies are again behind the reason , using skewed data , 2) Regal really has no clue about anything, just aping what the person next up the ladder says 3) you got the "brush off form letter".

Insurance Company? It would be interesting to find out "if" they are behind this and other Corp policies, whom they are, have a listing, and as to whom or why they take the positions they do.

Does someone like George Soros have a stake in that company?


Steve

 

[geekWithA.45]

Please understand that Regal Entertainment Group, with the assistance of safety experts and law enforcement personnel, has developed policies and procedures designed to provide the safest environment for our guests and employees.

Credentials?

"Safety Experts"? I can list a dozen members of the forces of organized gun bigotry who proclaim themselves safety experts.


In debatin', we call that appeal to BS authority.
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/appeal-to-authority.html

If there is a significant amount of legitimate dispute among the experts within a subject, then it will fallacious to make an Appeal to Authority using the disputing experts. This is because for almost any claim being made and "supported" by one expert there will be a counterclaim that is made and "supported" by another expert. In such cases an Appeal to Authority would tend to be futile. In such cases, the dispute has to be settled by consideration of the actual issues under dispute. Since either side in such a dispute can invoke experts, the dispute cannot be rationally settled by Appeals to Authority.

The authority in question must be identified.

A common variation of the typical Appeal to Authority fallacy is an Appeal to an Unnamed Authority. This fallacy is also known as an Appeal to an Unidentified Authority.

This fallacy is committed when a person asserts that a claim is true because an expert or authority makes the claim and the person does not actually identify the expert. Since the expert is not named or identified, there is no way to tell if the person is actually an expert. Unless the person is identified and has his expertise established, there is no reason to accept the claim.

This sort of reasoning is not unusual. Typically, the person making the argument will say things like "I have a book that says...", or "they say...", or "the experts say...", or "scientists believe that...", or "I read in the paper.." or "I saw on TV..." or some similar statement. in such cases the person is often hoping that the listener(s) will simply accept the unidentified source as a legitimate authority and believe the claim being made. If a person accepts the claim simply because they accept the unidentified source as an expert (without good reason to do so), he has fallen prey to this fallacy.

 

[sm]

geekWithA.45,

Can we please play with our new found "toy" - Regal - to educate in a civil manner, using cites, documentation and all sorts of "truth" ?

Puh-leeze!

Okay folks , GWA45 nodded his head yes - I saw it, didn't you?

Oh goody, time to look up stuff and send to the "Safety Experts" at Regal.

*snicker*

"Remember the Applebees!"

Yeah I know not as cool as "Wolverines", but hey- this is the Internet Folks.

 

[AmbulanceDriver]

geekWithA.45,

Can we please play with our new found "toy" - Regal - to educate in a civil manner, using cites, documentation and all sorts of "truth" ?

Puh-leeze!

Okay folks , GWA45 nodded his head yes - I saw it, didn't you?

Oh goody, time to look up stuff and send to the "Safety Experts" at Regal.

*snicker*

"Remember the Applebees!"

Yeah I know not as cool as "Wolverines", but hey- this is the Internet Folks.


__________________
Use Enough Gun
TFL Alumni
Reprobate

SM, I'm beginning to see where you get your last nickname there.

But I've gotta join ya on this one. I missed out on the last letter writing campaing to Applebee's. So I gotta stir up tro..... er... I mean, help out with this one.....

Oh, and I saw him nod too..... Or at least there was some forward-type motion of his head. Might have been this one though: :banghead:

 

[ID_shooting]

well, I finally got a responce. Funny how everything is exactly the same as cordex's, even the date, with the execption of the signature. I HATE form letters.

I for one vote to UNLEASH THE DOGS OF LETTER WRITTING!

"July 11, 2006

Dear Mr. Gxxxxxxxx:

Thank you for taking the time to communicate your concerns regarding our facility security policies. Please understand that Regal Entertainment Group, with the assistance of safety experts and law enforcement personnel, has developed policies and procedures designed to provide the safest environment for our guests and employees. Rest assured these policies and procedures are not designed with the intent to inconvenience or otherwise cause hardship to our guests. However, we believe these policies appropriate to assure the general safety of all guests and employees.

Again, thank you for taking the time to advise us of your concerns.


Sincerely,
Lisa Beeler
Customer Relations Associate



Comment:
Dear Regal Entertainment, Recently my wife and I decided to visit one of your theaters (Edwards 21 on Overland Road in Boise, Idaho) to see the movie “Cars.” This was to be the last event of an otherwise wonderful evening. Sadly, I must tell you that we will no longer be patrons to your fine establishments. I noticed a small sign on the cashier’s window stating your desire not to allow concealed weapons into your theater. Upon inquiry to management, I found that this policy is directed to holders of valid Concealed Weapons Permits as well as the non-law abiding populace. Since your company’s choice is to create a criminal-safe zone where decent, peace loving families are left to the whims of any petty thug or violent person, I can no longer advocate my family’s patronage. Regretfully, I must also share this information with millions of fellow legally-armed citizens on a national level so that no one may unwittingly place themselves in avoidable danger. I do ask that you revisit this decision as it is a known fact that criminals and people that do not obey the law will likely ignore your sign and bring weapons onto your premises regardless of your wishes. Likewise, law-abiding and honest citizens will follow your wishes and either disarm themselves or choose not to attend. Since I noticed a dire lack of armed security, one would hope that you do not intend to leave the scales of public safety so unbalanced. Doing so may leave your company liable in the event someone is harmed or otherwise assaulted on your property. Should you desire more information, please visit www.thehighroad.org or www.a-human-right.com. Thank you for your time. Brian Gxxxxxxxx, Boise"

 

[Lonestar]

Well, hopefully you got someone in risk management thinking

 

[cordex]

Well, hopefully you got someone in risk management thinking

Not a chance in hell.

 

[ID_shooting]

Somthing strange is going on at Regal. I now have gotten four copies of the same letter from them in my e-mail. Funny, I only sent one.