Reliability and durability of "budget" bolt actions

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There seems to be a lot of bolt rifles now available in the $300-$500 range (Ruger American, Savage Axis, Mossberg MVP etc.). Most reviews of such guns find them accurate, but what about long term durability and reliability?

I've never been one to demand sub MOA accuracy (I'm not a good enough shot to take advantage of it) but I do appreciate rugged. Are these new and inexpensive bolt guns as reliable and strong as old military Mausers and the sporting rifles based on the Mauser action?
 
Probably not, but time will tell. Too early to really know.

If a Mosin, Enfield, and Mauser are the benchmark for reliability and strength, I'd probably say no.

They are more accurate though.
 
I'd expect most to last longer than the original owners. As long as an someone buying one understands what they are getting I don't see a problem. Lots of older guns were made to last several lifetimes. Parts, barrels could be replaced and the actions could be rebuilt to last another generation if desired.

The new generation of budget guns are not designed for that. Disposable guns if you will. Buy one, use it and throw it away in 25-50 years. Even if it were possible to repair and rebuild it is most likely cheaper to just dispose of it and buy another.

Truth is they are just as accurate as some costing 10X as much. Reliability, I'm a big fan of CRF rifles. They will function after abuse that no other rifle will take. But in all honesty, almost no one, puts a rifle into conditions where it matters. On a 2 week backpack trip into wilderness in harsh weather conditions, I'm taking my CRF rifle. For the way the vast majority of hunters hunt, the new budget guns work just fine.

I have nice guns, but there is room in my safe for some of these as well. I've got a couple of Ruger Americans setting in my safe right next to some nice Winchesters and Kimbers.
 
It's a flip of the coin. The rifles you mentioned will probably be fine for 80+ percent of those who buy them for hunting. Remember most of the long time members here and other shooting sites shoot alot more than the average hunter and will exspect more. On the flip side, if you shop around you can find a used main line model from most manufactures for close to the same or a little more than the new economy models. I got my son a couple years ago a like new left hand Savage 110 Weather Warrior 30-06, synthetics stock, iron sights, accutrigger, for 295.00 delivered from Gunbroker. The Axis was selling local for 350.00 0r more. Shop around.
 
I'd expect most to last longer than the original owners. As long as an someone buying one understands what they are getting I don't see a problem. Lots of older guns were made to last several lifetimes. Parts, barrels could be replaced and the actions could be rebuilt to last another generation if desired.

The new generation of budget guns are not designed for that. Disposable guns if you will. Buy one, use it and throw it away in 25-50 years. Even if it were possible to repair and rebuild it is most likely cheaper to just dispose of it and buy another.

Truth is they are just as accurate as some costing 10X as much. Reliability, I'm a big fan of CRF rifles. They will function after abuse that no other rifle will take. But in all honesty, almost no one, puts a rifle into conditions where it matters. On a 2 week backpack trip into wilderness in harsh weather conditions, I'm taking my CRF rifle. For the way the vast majority of hunters hunt, the new budget guns work just fine.

I have nice guns, but there is room in my safe for some of these as well. I've got a couple of Ruger Americans setting in my safe right next to some nice Winchesters and Kimbers.

Excellent post. Modern guns are designed to a price point, and people will buy the other brand for as little as a dollar's difference in cost.

For what you pay, you get something that works. If you want more, you have to pay more.

I remember seeing an ad in Shotgun News about newly made Mauser actions. I called and the first thing I was told, where that these actions were over $1,000, maybe $2,000. That sort of chilled my enthusiasm. I love the Mauser, but, not that much.
 
Unfortunately, spending several thousand dollars on a gun isn't an option for me right now (or likely ever). That said, I would like anything I buy from here on out to have some chance of being shot by potential grandchildren, or even great grandchildren. I might possibly be able to expand my budget into the $1000 price range at some point.

The market is so incredibly flooded right now that it's getting harder to tell what's decent and what's crap.
 
Rifles wear out through throat erosion. That wouldn't be any different in a Savage Axis or 111. Barrel replacement is the same for both rifles. Probably the most noticeable difference between the good budget guns and the $500-600 rifles is the quality of the synthetic stocks.
 
My Savage 10FP was sub-MOA at 100 yards. I was capable of getting 3/4" groups with it with Federal Gold Medal Match 308 Winchester 168 grain with a 3x9 scope. I'm sure a proficient F-Class shooter could do better.
 
My Savage 10FP was sub-MOA at 100 yards. I was capable of getting 3/4" groups with it with Federal Gold Medal Match 308 Winchester 168 grain with a 3x9 scope. I'm sure a proficient F-Class shooter could do better.

not sure this applies, as it's not durability or reliability related and the 10fp isn't in the budget class the OP is referring to.

i'm considering adding a ruger american to the safe. although i have no reason to think it wouldn't serve well for a very long time, i have no illusions of it being as nice of a hand me down as my winchester m70. only time will tell as to whether it holds the capabilities to last generations.
 
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they're still just steel and some synthetic stock. as long as you don't burn the barrel out, and keep the rust off of it, it will last many generations.

now, if you get out and use the thing, bounce it around in your backpack or truck floor board, etc. i suspect it won't be accurate for long. but, the expectation is you can throw aftermarket stocks, lugs, barrels, triggers etc on them so it shouldn't be a big deal.

personally, i don't think they're any more 'heirloom quality' than a glock.
 
I get a great deal of pleasure out of the feel and appearance of a fine firearm. And the new genre of accurate shooting $300-$500 hunting rifles just satisfy my interests in those areas. I'd rather own fewer or buy them 'pre-owned' and feel the joy of ownership every time the gun is in my hands. Additionally, its not clear to me that they will have the same longevity as a classic or more expensive firearm might have.
But there's no doubt that when it comes to accuracy and utility these new low-priced guns are amazingly good.
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Rifles wear out through throat erosion. That wouldn't be any different in a Savage Axis or 111. Barrel replacement is the same for both rifles. Probably the most noticeable difference between the good budget guns and the $500-600 rifles is the quality of the synthetic stocks.
Exactly. Unless you own an ammo company live in the middle of nowhere do not have to work or have kids how would you wear out a savage or ruger American anyway?
 
Got a few budget rifles and I'm confident that they will outlast and outshoot me. They are satisfactory for the intended purpose and I could care less if they make it into the hands of an heir. Matter of fact, I hope they are worn out long before that time.
I can't see why they wouldn't be as strong as an old Mauser action. Now, reliability could be a concern at some point. The Savage Axis mag is help in place with a plastic compression clip thingy that will not pass old school Mauser grade. Then again, it's not a fair comparison between the two types.
Standing on their own merrit they are impressive. You don't need heirloom quality to enjoy a good rifle.
 
My observation of some of the entry level bolt guns is that they aren't built to last. I'm thinking of the Remington 710's and 770's though. Savage guns seem to be built better but they still aren't up to the standards of the 110 line. That's the whole point. It doesn't cost that much more to get a rifle that is based on the 110 line especially if you look around a find a good used model. Remember that a lot of people buy a deer rifle, shoot it enough to sight it in just before deer season and shoot a very few shots during season if that many. Those rifles won't be anywhere near shot out. And some people lose interest in hunting and sell their rifles for not a lot of money. I paid $225 for a Savage 110 in 30.06 and it had a scope mounted on it. It wasn't a good scope but it wasn't horrible either. It was probably a $70 scope when it was new. That rifle will be in my safe ready to work long after I'm not around to open the safe anymore. I will say the stock warped on it likely because it wasn't stored well by the previous owner. It was probably left somewhere it could draw moisture over a long period of time. I replaced the stock and now the rifle is very nice. It's too bad because the original stock was a nice walnut model. But things go wrong with the best of guns. I have no complaints at all about that rifle.
 
I have a few Enfields, a Weatherby, a Swede, and a Savage 99 among other quality firearms. And yes I have a few budget rifles too, such as an Axis and an American. I see no problems with them having long term reliability. They are rough around the edges, for sure, but that doesn't affect reliability. Consider this: if they were made with a limited lifespan, some schmuck would shoot the heck out of one, it would fail on him, and he would sue the company. They are made to be cheap yet reliable. Buy one and use it, then gift it to a new shooter when you are done with it. Or refine one with some lapping, a rebluing, a new stock or whatever floats your boat.
 
My Dad has a cute little bolt action .22 he bought for something like 40 dollars sometime in the sixties that has "trained" three generations and will last to train three more.

I'm still having problems with the idea a couple of 12 year olds walked into a hardware store and each bought a rifle without so much as a raised eyebrow much less government involvement.
 
There are a lot of people today to whom used is a bad term. Many of them have grown up in the "don't fix it, just buy another one" era of disposable everything. They are lost when considering a used anything, much less a rifle.

For them, the less expensive rifles work just fine. It's not like they will be out at the range daily.

For those of us who grew up during the days when things were expected to last, or have learned that durability still exists, used guns can be a bargain. Then again, most of the disposable era buyers don't seem to be able to sniff out deals, either.

I find it amusing to listen to how durable military arms are. MOST military arms have been used little, but carried a lot. Many have been refurbished, and then sat in storage for 60 years, sometimes more. Tell me how that indicated durability? It was a standard procedure to pull weapons out of the field at regular intervals in war-time, or even peace-time, and update and repair them as necessary. Try to find an as issued M1 Garand, Carbine, 1903 Springfield, or even an original M16 rifle today. Same with the weapons of the other military powers.

Sporting arms over the years have been built using the technology of the time. Back when everything was milled, forged, and hand-fitted, it was standard to make a gun that lasted several decades. Add to that the FACT that most of these guns were used in the same manner as today's. They were bought for deer season, sighted in, and saw action for a few days a year. People haven't changed that much in the past 100 years. They had jobs, troubles, and raised families. Hunting was often a seasonal sport, and the gun used varied with that season. Only the rich went to Africa, or traveled the United States collecting big game. Well, the rich and the gun writers.

Most of today's rifles are being bought by people with limited incomes, and limited time to spend afield. They might burn through 60 rounds a year. The less expensive rifles will last them both their, and their sons and grand-children's lives.
 
The only one I have personal experience with is the Mossberg MVP, and it was the shortest time I've ever owned a gun -- two weeks. I bought it lightly used, and sold it with about 30 more rounds through than when I bought it.

I feel like I know what you're talking about -- the designs are usually based on proven formats, but the quality of the metallurgy of parts, especially the bolt, extractor, firing pin, etc. is questionable. We've all probably had MIM and cheap (often Chinese) parts break, whether it be a lag bolt in a construction project or gun parts (so far I've had two break, one on a DSA FAL, one on a Marlin 1894).

I bought the MVP because I liked that it used AR-15 magazines, and I sold it because the way they got it to do that was by having a small spring loaded tab pop down from the bottom of the bolt, that pushed the next round out of the magazine. Apparently AR magazines sit low, and something needed to reach down to get that next round, and rather than redesign their bolt shape and receiver to accommodate it, they chose this method. The tab is held in place with a roll pin, and its one of those parts that I have not yet read about failing, but in my mind, its just a matter of time. I can't have a gun where I'm waiting for it to fail.

So I agree with the others who have basically said they'd rather buy a $500 used gun that was manufactured in a time when things were made to last, than a $500 new gun where the manufacturer is counting on you not being able to afford enough ammo (at today's prices) to bring it to its breaking point.
 
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The American Rifleman did an article about them in the their last issue that you might find interesting. http://www.americanrifleman.org/article.php?id=33715&cat=3&sub=5&q=1

I own two Axis rifles in .243 and .308 and I'm happy with them. I haven't shot the .243 enough but the .308 will be consistently put rounds on top of each other at 50 yards and that's good enough for me. They're just one deer per season rifles and I'd rather put the money into handguns, ammo and ARs.
 
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