azhunter12
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Theres no compairson. Get the Ruger or the flaming chicken brand as Robert in Oregon says.
Remington 597 vs. Ruger 10/22
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_N4Z_
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Neither. Had a 597 that was a jam master flash. It had all the upgraded mags too. 
No opinion on the 10/22, but I do now have a Marlin 925. It is the keeper.
No opinion on the 10/22, but I do now have a Marlin 925. It is the keeper.
To pull apart the metal mags, just take a fine-bladed flat screwdriver, wedge it in-between the plastic bottom cap and metal body, and gently pry the cap off. There is a lip on either side of the cap that's molded into the plastic that hooks onto a ledge in the body to keep it in place. You'll have to get that lip off the ledge.
There are some really good tips on maintaining the 597 over on Rimfire Central. I love mine.
There are some really good tips on maintaining the 597 over on Rimfire Central. I love mine.
ftierson
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I have a Ruger 10/22R that I purchased in about 1975.
I have two Remington M597 rifles in .22LR, both purchased in 1997/1998.
I have no interest in spending hundreds of dollars for hanging extra crap on my .22LR rifles, so the vast supply of 10/22 'accessories' holds no appeal for me. I've always thought that the gun should be 'right', right out of the box. And the M597 is about as close as you can get to that for me...
I've fired several thousand rounds through the 10/22, almost all before I picked up the M597s. Now, I rarely shoot the Ruger.
The 10/22 has always been extremely reliable if kept reasonably clean. When I first purchased it, the trigger was awful. Thousands of rounds later, it's still just as awful...
Both of the M597s have better triggers than the 10/22. Both of the ones that I have are very reliable with the original plastic magazines and the original ejectors. I have picked up some of the new metal magazines, but I haven't tried them yet.
When I was purchasing the M597s, I looked through several of them in the gunshops and noticed that some had quite awful bores (rough with torn rifling) I just picked two that looked really good that way...
I have a cheap 3-9x32mm Tasco scope on one of the M597s and use the original open sights on the other.
Except for the trigger, I like the Ruger 10/22. I like the Remington M597 better...
Forrest
I have two Remington M597 rifles in .22LR, both purchased in 1997/1998.
I have no interest in spending hundreds of dollars for hanging extra crap on my .22LR rifles, so the vast supply of 10/22 'accessories' holds no appeal for me. I've always thought that the gun should be 'right', right out of the box. And the M597 is about as close as you can get to that for me...
I've fired several thousand rounds through the 10/22, almost all before I picked up the M597s. Now, I rarely shoot the Ruger.
The 10/22 has always been extremely reliable if kept reasonably clean. When I first purchased it, the trigger was awful. Thousands of rounds later, it's still just as awful...
Both of the M597s have better triggers than the 10/22. Both of the ones that I have are very reliable with the original plastic magazines and the original ejectors. I have picked up some of the new metal magazines, but I haven't tried them yet.
When I was purchasing the M597s, I looked through several of them in the gunshops and noticed that some had quite awful bores (rough with torn rifling) I just picked two that looked really good that way...
I have a cheap 3-9x32mm Tasco scope on one of the M597s and use the original open sights on the other.
Except for the trigger, I like the Ruger 10/22. I like the Remington M597 better...
Forrest
My Ruger doesn't feed lead bullets reliably. It shoots well enough with plated bullets, but it's kinda kid-sized. By the numbers, the LOP isn't THAT short; I'm not sure what's up with it (synthetic stock, old recessed style).
It's a PITA to clean, but what semiauto isn't? Beats a gas-operated centerfire.
All around, the 10/22 is a pretty decent gun for under $200, if you can dodge the temptation to turn it into a $1000 gun that's marginally better than it was originally.
I haven't shot mine since I got a Marlin Golden 39A. I even thought about selling it, but there's something in the Bible that says that every man has to have a 10/22 somewhere in the house, so I kept it.
Hell, the 10/22 doesn't even lock open on an empty mag, unless you spend $50 in parts and modify it yourself. That's what I mean: if you leave it as-is, it's a pretty decent little gun, but once you start pouring money into it, you might as well get a higher-class firearm.
Browning SA22 and BL22, Marlin 39, Remington 552/572 BDL, Henry Octagon, etc. are more satisfying guns to own and shoot, IMJO. (In My Jaded Opinion ) That doesn't mean don't buy a 10/22 for $160; it means I don't think it's worth putting $500-1000 into one when that money will buy you some nice guns. Sometimes two nice guns.
If Ruger would sell just the receiver for $100 without the barrel or stock, then we'd be talkin'
It's a PITA to clean, but what semiauto isn't? Beats a gas-operated centerfire.
All around, the 10/22 is a pretty decent gun for under $200, if you can dodge the temptation to turn it into a $1000 gun that's marginally better than it was originally.
I haven't shot mine since I got a Marlin Golden 39A. I even thought about selling it, but there's something in the Bible that says that every man has to have a 10/22 somewhere in the house, so I kept it.
Hell, the 10/22 doesn't even lock open on an empty mag, unless you spend $50 in parts and modify it yourself. That's what I mean: if you leave it as-is, it's a pretty decent little gun, but once you start pouring money into it, you might as well get a higher-class firearm.
Browning SA22 and BL22, Marlin 39, Remington 552/572 BDL, Henry Octagon, etc. are more satisfying guns to own and shoot, IMJO. (In My Jaded Opinion
) That doesn't mean don't buy a 10/22 for $160; it means I don't think it's worth putting $500-1000 into one when that money will buy you some nice guns. Sometimes two nice guns.If Ruger would sell just the receiver for $100 without the barrel or stock, then we'd be talkin'
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Ohio Rifleman
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I've had a 10/22 for about a year and half and have not had one single problem with it. Not a single failure to eject, no jams, no misfires. Well, it did jam when I was using crappy aftermarket magazine, but that wasn't the gun's fault. I have no complaints with accuracy or the stock length. But, I did buy it with a scope already on it. I've never fired a Remington 597, so I have no comment on it.
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the other day i picked up a 597 .22lr for 70 bucks at a pawn shop, they said the bolt wouldnt close after each ejection without manually pushing it forward. i got it home dissasembled it and found the set screws for the rails were too tight putting the bolt in a bind. i backed them off per the assembly diagram and a fresh coat of oil on everything. now it out shoots my old winchester pump 22 i thought that was impossible! i have fired about 1500 rounds thru it in 4 days with not one complaint except i wish i could find a wood thumbhole stock for it.
rangerruck
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th 597 is better, period, that is the general rimfire consensus. just make sure you have the latest mags, make sure your guide rails, are adjusted almost all the way out, and you shall be squared away, and good to go .
597 vs 10/22
I own both and both are good rifles. However, right out of the box the 597 will shoot much tighter groups than the 10/22. But I also own several Marlin 39A's and they will shoot better groups than either the Remington or the Ruger. Only one of my Marlins has a scope so I compared all of them without scopes before scoping the 597 and 10/22.
Since the 597 was already more accurate than the 10/22 it was upgraded with a Boyds Evolution stock, and a Volquartsen bull barrel, new hammer and extractor. The trigger pull is now a crisp 5 lbs with no creep and it is has become a tack driver.
I have never had a jam or failure to feed with either of them. I have retired the 10/22 to the safe and it will be a Christmas gift for one of my kids. The Marlins are used for rabbit and squirrel hunting and are my favorite .22 caliber rifles.
But for small caliber target shooting you can't beat my 597.
I own both and both are good rifles. However, right out of the box the 597 will shoot much tighter groups than the 10/22. But I also own several Marlin 39A's and they will shoot better groups than either the Remington or the Ruger. Only one of my Marlins has a scope so I compared all of them without scopes before scoping the 597 and 10/22.
Since the 597 was already more accurate than the 10/22 it was upgraded with a Boyds Evolution stock, and a Volquartsen bull barrel, new hammer and extractor. The trigger pull is now a crisp 5 lbs with no creep and it is has become a tack driver.
I have never had a jam or failure to feed with either of them. I have retired the 10/22 to the safe and it will be a Christmas gift for one of my kids. The Marlins are used for rabbit and squirrel hunting and are my favorite .22 caliber rifles.
But for small caliber target shooting you can't beat my 597.
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skinewmexico
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Our range bought 5 597s for the youth silhouette team a few years ago. It takes 5 adults at every match to keep clearing jams. What a POS.
rangerruck
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again, get the newest gen mags for the 597, adjust the rails all the way out, and it will run fine.
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My 597 jams and has the latest 3rd generation mag. The rail screws are not too tight. It is highly accurate though.
razorblade31
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no experiance with the ruger, but my brother had a 597 and it was basically a piece of junk. it jammed at least one time for every 20 rounds fired through it. we tried ammo from cci remington and wichester and none of them could group better than about 4 inches at 50 yards. could be the gun was just a fluke, but I'd go for the ruger
MCgunner
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Haven't even read the thread and I know there's gonna be some strong flaming against the 597 AND the 10-22 and some guys saying "Marlin M60". Well, I have a 10-22 and a 597 magnum. The Remington and the 10-22 are both flawless. The 10-22 is a typical 22 in size and the Remington feels like a real rifle in your hands. The Remington is MUCH more accurate, 1.5 MOA accurate, but of course is a .22 mag. 1" 25 yard groups are the norm with the 10-22 and it's not real reliable with Federal cheap bulk pack stuff. It is flawless with CCI mini mag and shoots Stinger just as well.
If I had to give one of 'em up, it'd be the 10-22 because I have a couple of old .22s that are more accurate. One of 'em's an old Mossberg M152 made before they required serial numbers. With ordinary ammo, it shoots about like the 10-22, but with RWS target, it becomes another gun. I also have an old M512X Remington bolt gun that's as accurate with .22LR as is my 597 with magnums and it shoots everything, even CCI CB shorts with that sort of amazing accuracy.
But, I like the 10-22 and don't plan to get rid of it. It's a fun plinker and the only stainless .22 I have. It was cheap enough and there's no reason to sell it even though I'm not that in love with the way it shoots. The 597s accuracy has endeared it to me and it stays where it is. I never thought I'd like a .22 mag until I got this thing. I could shoot squirrel to 100 yards with it!
It shoots FLAT compared to any .22 LR.
I made one mod on the 597, put a Varquarqerson or how ever the hell you spell it target hammer in it and that REALLY lightened the trigger. It made an AMAZING difference. The stock trigger was quite heavy, if crisp. Now, it's light and managable. On the 10-22 I put a Hogue overmolded stock, that's it, bone stock. I could add all sorts of stuff, but I just see it as a nice, rugged .22 plinker. It's my only iron sighted .22.
If I had to give one of 'em up, it'd be the 10-22 because I have a couple of old .22s that are more accurate. One of 'em's an old Mossberg M152 made before they required serial numbers. With ordinary ammo, it shoots about like the 10-22, but with RWS target, it becomes another gun.
I also have an old M512X Remington bolt gun that's as accurate with .22LR as is my 597 with magnums and it shoots everything, even CCI CB shorts with that sort of amazing accuracy. But, I like the 10-22 and don't plan to get rid of it. It's a fun plinker and the only stainless .22 I have. It was cheap enough and there's no reason to sell it even though I'm not that in love with the way it shoots. The 597s accuracy has endeared it to me and it stays where it is.
I never thought I'd like a .22 mag until I got this thing. I could shoot squirrel to 100 yards with it! It shoots FLAT compared to any .22 LR.I made one mod on the 597, put a Varquarqerson or how ever the hell you spell it target hammer in it and that REALLY lightened the trigger. It made an AMAZING difference. The stock trigger was quite heavy, if crisp. Now, it's light and managable. On the 10-22 I put a Hogue overmolded stock, that's it, bone stock. I could add all sorts of stuff, but I just see it as a nice, rugged .22 plinker. It's my only iron sighted .22.
_N4Z_
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The 597 is a crap shoot. Some get good ones, some do not.
I fell into the latter group.
I am not flaming the 597, just relaying my actual experience, which sucked.
Many many different types of ammo tried. Guide rods adjusted to and fro. New magazines made of metal with the little #10 in a circle. Yada, yada, it would not work. Never ever got a full mag thru it without some sort of stoppage.
It was very accurate, very unreliable, and extremely frustrating.
So..... give it a shot if your contemplating one, but buyer beware.
I fell into the latter group.
I am not flaming the 597, just relaying my actual experience, which sucked.
Many many different types of ammo tried. Guide rods adjusted to and fro. New magazines made of metal with the little #10 in a circle. Yada, yada, it would not work. Never ever got a full mag thru it without some sort of stoppage.
It was very accurate, very unreliable, and extremely frustrating.
So..... give it a shot if your contemplating one, but buyer beware.
MCgunner
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I seem to have heard less griping about the 597 magnum than the LR version. Am I dreaming this? Mine is plastic mags, don't know if they even offer metal mags in the magnums. I have 2 mags and both are 100 percent so far. It feeds everything, but that low power Winchester Dynapoint stuff which hangs now and then. It's got less umph than the maximag stuff, though.
ftierson
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I have a couple of the synthetic 597s in .22LR and also one in .22WMR...
All three of them work just fine with the original plastic mags, including the .22WMR...
I have also picked up several of the metal mags just to be safe, but I've never had the need to use any of them...
The current mags for the .22WMR are also metal...
Forrest
All three of them work just fine with the original plastic mags, including the .22WMR...
I have also picked up several of the metal mags just to be safe, but I've never had the need to use any of them...
The current mags for the .22WMR are also metal...
Forrest
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Remington incentive
Long story short, Academy has the 597 combo (w/synthetic grey stock & 3-9x32 Tasco scope) for $169 and the "vanilla" with open sites for $149.
http://www.academy.com/index.php?pa...e_rifles&start=10&selectedSKU=0351-02662-5131
http://www.academy.com/index.php?pa...e_rifles&start=10&selectedSKU=0351-02662-2597
(I called around; even Tomball Pawn can't beat that price right now.) Gander Mountain's price is over $220 (neither Houston store even had one in stock, and it's on their sale flyer!).
PLUS, Remington has a $20 mail in rebate. That's a lot of shootin' money!
It's got me thinking of getting one for when I take my girls to the range in a couple weeks.
Enjoy!
Q
Long story short, Academy has the 597 combo (w/synthetic grey stock & 3-9x32 Tasco scope) for $169 and the "vanilla" with open sites for $149.
http://www.academy.com/index.php?pa...e_rifles&start=10&selectedSKU=0351-02662-5131
http://www.academy.com/index.php?pa...e_rifles&start=10&selectedSKU=0351-02662-2597
(I called around; even Tomball Pawn can't beat that price right now.) Gander Mountain's price is over $220 (neither Houston store even had one in stock, and it's on their sale flyer!).
PLUS, Remington has a $20 mail in rebate. That's a lot of shootin' money!
It's got me thinking of getting one for when I take my girls to the range in a couple weeks.
Enjoy!
Q
_N4Z_
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Ya, Academy. Funny. That's where I got my 597 hooptie.
Be advised, if it does not work as intended (like mine), Academy has a no return policy on all firearms.
Carry on.
Be advised, if it does not work as intended (like mine), Academy has a no return policy on all firearms.
Carry on.
MCgunner
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And, Remington wouldn't make it right?
FLORIDA KEVIN
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I have both rifles ! the 10/22 I have had since I was 12 , i'll be 54 next month . I love my ruger ! I bought the remiington a couple years ago ,to take some pressure off the ruger ( it must have shot about a zillion rounds by now it is the toughest most reliable gun I have ever had ! ) The Remington is a real good shooter now ! it used to jam about every 3rd or 4th shot until i found out about losseneing the the rails that the bolt rides on ! since then no problem ! The ruger is sweet and if i only had 1 .22 rifle it would be the Ruger , if it is just another gun then get the Remington ! This is actually the second 597 I bought ! The first one jammed every other shot with a stovepipe jam ! I When I went to clean it after the first range session I realized that the extractor was missing!! not broken -- not there at all ! bass Pro shops took it back and replaced it with the one I have now ! They wouldn't just give me the extractor !! so we had to do more paper work ! It came with a cheap scope 4X ,I replace that with a 3-9X. now I can spot my own shots !
FLORIDA KEVIN
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I would buy another one if the price was right ! as a matter of fact I wouldn't mind a 597 in .22 mag!!I have never hunted with it ! The ruger has killed a lot of rabbits ,squirrels ,rats , and even a few quail!
jcampbe6
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597 is the best .22 made to date
by far the 597 is a way better gun now that remington made metal mags. i have a 10-22 and a 597 and the 10-22 just sits in the gun case when i go squirrel hunting. havent had and problems with jamming after 1000's of rounds with the 597. and if you clean your guns like your suppose to it wont rust!!!
by far the 597 is a way better gun now that remington made metal mags. i have a 10-22 and a 597 and the 10-22 just sits in the gun case when i go squirrel hunting. havent had and problems with jamming after 1000's of rounds with the 597. and if you clean your guns like your suppose to it wont rust!!!
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