Readyrod
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Does the Remington 7600 have the same extractor? I'm thinking of getting one but I like tough tools.
Remington 700 extractor - how big of a weak link?
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Readyrod
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Worse?
What I mean is that the 7600 is completely different in every way: design, function, parts, aesthetics, fit, balance, features. Whether you like it or not, and what you do or don't like about it, has no relation to the 700.
You have to decide if you like it.
You have to decide if you like it.
Ridgerunner665
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In an older Remington...I've never seen it happen (broken extractor)
I could believe the newer ones are cheap parts though...
I could believe the newer ones are cheap parts though...
Uncle Mike
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The auto loader is different in its extractor design.
To be fair, let us say that maybe ol' Remington received a lot, of bad, brittle, whatever, from the vendor...and how exactly would Remington know these things were junk...I mean firing 5 rounds for function isn't enough to cause the extractor failures.
To be fair, let us say that maybe ol' Remington received a lot, of bad, brittle, whatever, from the vendor...and how exactly would Remington know these things were junk...I mean firing 5 rounds for function isn't enough to cause the extractor failures.
USSR
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In my case anyways, the rifle was an older 40X model.
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Mr_Pale_Horse
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Qualification and lot acceptance testing?
That is ejection, not extraction. One is the prerequisite for the other. Personally, I prefer a standing ejector, then I can tailor the ejection or non-ejection as necessary.
In my opinion, this is a red herring. The design intent of a brass case is to serve as a pressure seal, and to rupture at over pressure. In a properly designed action, the gas from this rupture is channeled safely away from the shooter.
In a Remington, the case cannot fail. Therefore the action or barrel has to fail. Not a likely scenario, but a far worse one.
In my opinion, much of the design of push feeders was to simplify manufacture and lower cost, period. The result is a servicable and accurate arm, but far from ideal.
Here's an update...
I talked to remington about the failed extractor. They were actually quite helpful. They simply told me they would ship me out an extractor for free. I didn't even have my warranty registration sent in yet (only had it 2days at the time). SO at the very least I can say remington honored their product and warranty. I understand that an extractor is only a $13 part from the store and it probably cost them little to none to send me out a new one but in the least they were good on their word.
Look, Im not trying to knock remington. For all those that state they've had remingtons that have gone thousands of rounds without failure, thats great and good for you. I have only gotten 20 rounds through mine before a problem so I envy you. But Even after that I am still willing to chock that up to a fluke and say $@#% happens, which it does. If the next one last a few thousand rounds, I wont even care about this incident. But if this is a frequent occurance, then I'd have to say this is a product defect regardless of how many people had better luck.
I talked to remington about the failed extractor. They were actually quite helpful. They simply told me they would ship me out an extractor for free. I didn't even have my warranty registration sent in yet (only had it 2days at the time). SO at the very least I can say remington honored their product and warranty. I understand that an extractor is only a $13 part from the store and it probably cost them little to none to send me out a new one but in the least they were good on their word.
Look, Im not trying to knock remington. For all those that state they've had remingtons that have gone thousands of rounds without failure, thats great and good for you. I have only gotten 20 rounds through mine before a problem so I envy you. But Even after that I am still willing to chock that up to a fluke and say $@#% happens, which it does. If the next one last a few thousand rounds, I wont even care about this incident. But if this is a frequent occurance, then I'd have to say this is a product defect regardless of how many people had better luck.
Most likely a fluke, but I "see" complaints about Remington's QC often these days?
Within my circle of friends/acquaintances, dwell dozens of M700s, including some varminters that have seen many thousands of rounds. Some of those are on their second barrels. None have ever had an extractor or ejector failure, including any of mine. Some of these rifles date to the mid 70s.
Within my circle of friends/acquaintances, dwell dozens of M700s, including some varminters that have seen many thousands of rounds. Some of those are on their second barrels. None have ever had an extractor or ejector failure, including any of mine. Some of these rifles date to the mid 70s.
Drue
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I am personally acquainted with two extractor failures on Rem 700s. Both were .308 silhouette rifles. My own let go at approximately 9,500 rounds and a buddy had one fail at around 10,400 rounds. Both shot mostly 168gr bullets at 2550 to 2600 fps, fullish but not hot loads. The both broke at the rivet. I have no complaints about the service provided by these small pieces of steel about the size of a big toenail clipping. The problem was that the replacements required, in addition the the extractors and rivets, a drill press and vice, hammer and punch, a correctly shaped buck and a file. Hardly something that be can be done in the field or on the range. The newer Remingtons do not use the rivet.
The Sako extractors nay be a solution but they do compromise one of the three rings of steel which makes the Remingtons so strong.
Drue
The Sako extractors nay be a solution but they do compromise one of the three rings of steel which makes the Remingtons so strong.
Drue
evan price
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Benelli Shooter said:
Well, that's a misleading argument, actually a fallacy.
People who hunt dangerous game prefer a Controlled Round Feed action because they might need to make a second shot while the rifle is not in perfect position to feed for a non-CRF style action. The Rem 700 is NOT CRF. Therefore it is not preferred for dangerous game. The same could be said for a push-feed post-64 Winchester Model 70.
Uncle Mike
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Fragile compared to......
Other extractor, yes, I will agree the Remington extractor is not as hearty as say a CRF Mauser type, but it is designed like this to serve a purpose.
The Savage extractors fail more often than the Remingtons do. But they sure are easier to replace! lol
I think Remington just got a bad batch of them, no problem.
Other extractor, yes, I will agree the Remington extractor is not as hearty as say a CRF Mauser type, but it is designed like this to serve a purpose.
The Savage extractors fail more often than the Remingtons do. But they sure are easier to replace! lol
I think Remington just got a bad batch of them, no problem.
it fails to chamber a round? No, thats not an extractor issue. If you said it fails to eject or "extract" the previous 'spent' round, then I'd say extractor.
On another note in case anyone is interested, got a new extractor from brownells today (having remington send me a spare) and installed it. Threw a few rounds down range, spits them out like a champ. Im gonna give it a few dozen more rounds before I'd call it problem fixed, but works great so far...
On another note in case anyone is interested, got a new extractor from brownells today (having remington send me a spare) and installed it. Threw a few rounds down range, spits them out like a champ. Im gonna give it a few dozen more rounds before I'd call it problem fixed, but works great so far...
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When my extractor went bad, my 700 would not chamber a round. I put a new one in today. It now closes the bolt on live rounds when it didn't before.
Mr. Pale Horse says:
Another incident at a local range was complete head separation in a Rem. 700 in .30-06. Again, shooter didn't get hurt.
A case can fail in any action. The above case failures have nothing to do with bolt and receiver designs. They're the result of improper reloading processes and how the case fit the chamber.
A test at the USN Small Arms Match Conditioning Unit in the mid 1960's with an old M1903 Springfield with new .30-06 M72 primed M72 match cases and M2 172-gr. match bullets was done to see how much powder was needed to blow the receiver/barrel apart. The bolt had to be beat open after cases full of one powder faster than IMR4895 from those live rounds was used but the receiver, bolt and barrel held. And yes, headspace had increased quite a bit. It was only after a case near full of Bullseye pistol powder was used that finally pushed the old war horse to its limits and it finally let go into several pieces. This was a "low number" receiver that was supposed to be weak.
The case can fail in any action. I was next to a guy shooting a Rem. 40X in .30-.338 magnum when a partial head separation happened. He didn't get hurt.
Another incident at a local range was complete head separation in a Rem. 700 in .30-06. Again, shooter didn't get hurt.
A case can fail in any action. The above case failures have nothing to do with bolt and receiver designs. They're the result of improper reloading processes and how the case fit the chamber.
A test at the USN Small Arms Match Conditioning Unit in the mid 1960's with an old M1903 Springfield with new .30-06 M72 primed M72 match cases and M2 172-gr. match bullets was done to see how much powder was needed to blow the receiver/barrel apart. The bolt had to be beat open after cases full of one powder faster than IMR4895 from those live rounds was used but the receiver, bolt and barrel held. And yes, headspace had increased quite a bit. It was only after a case near full of Bullseye pistol powder was used that finally pushed the old war horse to its limits and it finally let go into several pieces. This was a "low number" receiver that was supposed to be weak.
Mr_Pale_Horse
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The test below has everything to do with action design.
I did the following test with a 1896 Swedish Mauser: an over charge using a case full to the neck of IMR 4064 in new, full length resized brass, 140 Nosler Partition Bullet. The case web bulged and blew into the void where there is no case support. The action was opened with a mallet and test was repeated with the same result.
The case failed because it was not fully supported.
A really fast powder like a pistol powder would likely have blown it to bits.
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