Remington 742 Woodsmaster 6mm

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I have a Remington 742 in 6mm and the problem I am having is the Extractor is ripping a notch in the back of the case upon ejection of the case. The case is ejecting and the next round is loading however the spent round has this rim damage and the chamber appears to be corrosion free. What could be the cause of this?
 
Do you use handloads or factory rounds? If handloads, are you sizing after firing, before reloading? How old (used or new?) is the rifle? Perhaps you need a chamber gauge to determine if its size is correct. When did all this begin?
 
If the rounds being used are indeed handloads, it's recommended that an RCBS "SB" sizing dies be used so that the very bottom of the case to be sized is also brought back to being close to original. It does read like the base of the spent case is fighting departure from the extractor.
 
The rifle is used, from day one just didn’t notice right away because it always functioned. Always factory Ammo. Could it be a weak spring or over gassed? Is this common for this rifle?
 
No, it's not what I would say, common. The extractor in the 742 bolt face is in itself, sorta spring loaded as it's only anchored down on one end of its loop.
I'm guessing here without having it on my bench, but it could be that there's some crappola holding the extractor from releasing that rim to allow the ejector to push it out of the bolt face and send the case flying out the ejection port.
 
So are you saying that at the open part of the cycle the Extractor pivots or springs outward upon the ejector contact or before? If I slide the bolt open all the way will the extractor move outward? I will certainly look for evidence of “crappola” lol tonight when I get home. I remember this gun being a bear to disassemble, any tips on disassembly?
 
Upon bolt closure, going forward, the extractor snaps around and into the extractor groove in the case head. Without actually scrutinizing the situation, if the area has gunk in it, it may be easier for the extractor to grab that groove rather than let go of it.
 
Sorry but what your experience is common for the 740 and 742. Rem used some very soft steel in the 740 receiver, which they upgraded a little in the 742, to border line. My neighbor has 3, one was so bad it was a parts gun. What happening is the brass is sticking in the chamber, the reason for extraction/ejection problems. On the ones I had to work on the chamber were pitted badly, rough through out making the brass stick. The use of a cylinder hone fixed a couple so they would work for a short period of rounds. If the receiver is soft the steel will be gouged and badly worn where the bolt rides. The extractors are also a weak link when the brass is sticking. We found if you keep the gun super clean and well oiled they would function as they should for 15-20 rounds before they would start acting up. Then it was time for good cleaning again..
 
Ummm. The original issue I posted was concerning a Marlin 336 in.444 Marlin caliber. I know all about the Remington 740 and 742 rifles, been working on those since 1965 and have not had any experiences like those you've had, with soft?? steel. Wonder why they made those rifles for so long, (20 YEARS) and in so many calibers, if they were all as bad as you write about.
 
Ive heard plenty about about 740 and 742 problems like that as well.

They make a special chamber brush just for those guns because of the prevalence of problems like these.

Further, as was touched upon, the receiver galls where the bolt and carrier slide during operation. I have heard they can go maybe 1000 rounds. A suggestion in the past for the more common 30-06 version was to only use Garand loads as it was theorized that is what the 740 was designed around. That doesn’t work either apparently.

Either way, it is possible the brass needs a small base die as was noted.
 
Just me- I've had several 742's and still
have a 7400, and I've never had any of
the problems that other people post about.
Maybe I've just been lucky?
The only "problem " that I would call a
problem is with some fired brass I bought
and wouldn't load and eject properly from
different guns. Using my own known good
brass there was no problems at all.
I can use my own known good ammo and
fire one after another from this 7400
without a malfunction
 
No, it's not what I would say, common. The extractor in the 742 bolt face is in itself, sorta spring loaded as it's only anchored down on one end of its loop.
I'm guessing here without having it on my bench, but it could be that there's some crappola holding the extractor from releasing that rim to allow the ejector to push it out of the bolt face and send the case flying out the ejection port.

That's the first place I would check.

Could it be a weak spring or over gassed?

Weak extractor, possible. It would only be overgassed if the ammo was overloaded with very fast burning powder; the gas system is designed to vent off any excess.

Is this common for this rifle?

Sadly, yes. The extractor was the weak link on these, as well as Remington's 700 series bolts.

Ive heard plenty about about 740 and 742 problems like that as well.

They make a special chamber brush just for those guns because of the prevalence of problems like these.

Further, as was touched upon, the receiver galls where the bolt and carrier slide during operation. I have heard they can go maybe 1000 rounds. A suggestion in the past for the more common 30-06 version was to only use Garand loads as it was theorized that is what the 740 was designed around. That doesn’t work either apparently.

Either way, it is possible the brass needs a small base die as was noted.

The 742 works best with moderate handloads sized with Small Based dies. They are actually capable of decent accuracy loaded as such. I loaded 47.0 gr. of IMR 3031 under 165 Partitions for the deer loads I shot from mine. Cloverleafs at 50, just under 2" at 100. Minute of deer heart, and that's where all of those I fired at deer hit.

As has been mentioned, if fired with full house factory hunting loads, coupled with overzealous whanging the bolt back and forth by hand, it's a sure precursor to a "munched" receiver, with impressions of the bolt lugs on either side of the channel at the top of the receiver. (The galling mentioned by earlthegoat2.) When we'd see them come in for the ubiquitous "Jam-o-matic" repairs/cleaning with a munched receiver, we'd flat out decline to work on them, and offer the owner $50 for parts. Some would leave in a huff, some took us up on the offer. We cut up quite a few 740 and 742 receivers back then.

I was lucky with mine. I bought it from my aunt when I was 14, and it had been taken care of- no munched receiver. I kept it that way by keeping the round count low, and used that load with Ballistic Tips for practice, and Partitions for hunting.


Wonder why they made those rifles for so long, (20 YEARS) and in so many calibers, if they were all as bad as you write about.

It was the era of planned obsolescence. Cars back then rarely went over 100,000 miles. You'd buy a 742, abuse it (which is not hard to do with them) for a few years, then buy another.
 
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Ive heard plenty about about 740 and 742 problems like that as well.

They make a special chamber brush just for those guns because of the prevalence of problems like these.

Further, as was touched upon, the receiver galls where the bolt and carrier slide during operation. I have heard they can go maybe 1000 rounds. A suggestion in the past for the more common 30-06 version was to only use Garand loads as it was theorized that is what the 740 was designed around. That doesn’t work either apparently.

Either way, it is possible the brass needs a small base die as was noted.

On most every Remington 742 that I've had cross my bench, and it's been a whole bunch of 'em, the caliber that I've seen do the most damage is the .30-06. From what I understand, the gas port hole is drilled in the barrel at almost the exact same point where pressure from the cartridge is at its peak. Because of that condition the locking lugs "over-rotate" and swage up the metal caused by the hard locking lugs in the rear of the bolt track to the point where the lugs actually lock up in the four impressions that they eventually form.
Never seen that with 742 rifles in .308 Winchester caliber though.
BTW, the Remington 7400 was redesigned to not have that happen, or so I understand things.
 
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