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Remington 870P (walnut furniture)

Discussion in 'Shotguns' started by Slater, Nov 23, 2019.

  1. Slater

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    Just picked this up the other day. Was a little apprehensive because of Remington's QC issues lately, but the assembly and finish seems impeccable. I did notice that the barrel is marked "REMINGTON ARMS COMPANY ILION NY". I thought everything is being made in Huntsville these days?


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  2. ApacheCoTodd

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    Here's my take on it as far as the reputation lately.

    It doesn't much factor in on established Remington products but more on the new to market products and some absorbed lines of other manufacturers.

    An 870P is a SOLID choice from them and in fact, established moss-backs whining about alternative materials aside, I feel the 870 is in fact immune to derision in general and *P* & *Marine Magnum* in particular.

    The wood choice?..... OUTSTANDING! I wish I had fine walnut for my Marine Magnum.

    Now, get a fine vintage U.S.M.C. green sling on that rascal and play Embassy Guard or Ship-Board Security!

    Todd.
     
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  3. dfariswheel

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    Apparently Remington is still building the 870P Police guns in New York.

    As for quality, the bad quality of the last years at Remington was not allowed into the Police firearms system, or apparently into the top of the sporting line Wingmaster.
    It seemed to be mostly in the budget Express lines.

    Remington still owns about 90% of the law enforcement shotgun market and they were not about to allow quality issues to interfere with the lucrative LE market.
    Remington still sells shotguns to military special ops units who can buy what they want, and they sell to a lot of foreign police and military forces.
    As far as I can tell the Wingmaster and Police lines were kept up to snuff, and the Police guns are still built in a special secured section of the plant in New York.

    I don't think it's possible to go wrong with an 870P Police model.
     
  4. Fiv3r

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    Looks like an "all business" shooter. Just my style.
     
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  5. mcb

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    Remington still makes 700's, all the shotguns, Remington rimfires, and all the Marlin lever guns in NY. The MSRs (Bushmaster and DPMS), 783, Marlin rimfire, and all the handguns are made in AL.
     
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  6. Scribner

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    My 870P was made in ‘98, is retired LEO, & shoots great. Love it for five stand
     
  7. entropy

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    I suppose you use a Tactical Magnum for Trap, like did two years ago?

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  8. Slater

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    I recall a page on Remington LE's website some years ago that listed the differences between the 870P model and the Express Tactical/HD versions. The 870P had a Parkerized finish vs. the matte blue of the Express, and there were some heavier duty internal components as well. Is this still the case or has the Express adopted some of the Police components?
     
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  9. mcb

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    The 870P is closer to the Wingmaster than the Express; the 870P has all the same internals as a Wingmaster. It simple lacks the machine scroll work on the outside, a different finish, and furniture.
     
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  10. Virginian

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    The 870 P has a heavier sear spring and a heavier carrier dog follower spring, and a forged machined extractor.
     
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  11. ApacheCoTodd

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    For what it's worth, I ran across this some years back when trying to decide whether to keep a *P* or Marine Magnum:

    Important differences between Remington 870 Police and 870 Express shotguns

    The 870 Express has been an important part of Remington’s offering to the sporting market. It was designed to meet a price point in the commercial market while still providing classic 870 functionality. All of Remington’s 870’s have interchangeable parts, even if they have cosmetic differences. It is also important to note that many manufacturers use the 870 Express platform for their Police / Combat models. Without exception, every manufacturer who utilizes our 870 platform serves to upgrade their system to a more efficient, street worthy platform.

    While the 870 Express is still an 870, the best pump shotgun on the market, there are some very important cosmetic and functional differences between it and the 870 Police. To our customers in Law Enforcement, Military, Corrections, and Security, whose lives depend upon the unfailing performance of Remington shotguns, the Police modifications are of paramount importance.

    Synopses of the variances are provided below.

    • 870 Police shotguns go thru a special 23 station check list – ranging from visual inspection, functional testing, test firing, and final inspection.
    • All Police shotguns are assembled in a “special build area” at the plant in Ilion, NY. This section is secured and serves only to build LE and Military shotguns, with the same factory personnel working at that assignment each shift.
    • All parts that enter the “special build area” are visually inspected by hand to ensure top quality and functionality.
    • Due to heavy recoil in buck and slug loads, all 870 Police guns have a longer
    magazine spring which ensures positive feed and function.
    • A heavier sear spring is used to generate a reliable, positive trigger pull between 5 and 8 lbs.
    • A heavier carrier dog spring is used to ensure when the carrier elevates the shell, it will be held there until the bolt can push it into the chamber. This ensures positive feeding when using heavier payload rounds.
    • Police shotguns do not have an ISS (Integrated Safety System) which is a locking mechanism on the safety of commercial shotguns. This type of locking mechanism can cause delay to an officer who needs the weapon but does not have the appropriate key. LE shotguns have the standard, proven, cross bolt safety.
    • The fore-end on the Express model is longer and not compatible with many police shotgun vehicle racks.
    • The Police shotguns utilize the heavy duty SPEEDFEED Stocks and Fore-ends.
    • The Express model will not allow for the addition of an extension tube without physical modification to the tube and barrel, which can nullify the warranty.
    • The Express model has a BEAD BLAST BLUE finish while the Police models utilize either High Luster bluing or Parkerization.
    • The Express model utilizes a synthetic trigger housing while the Police models use a compressed metal housing.
    • The Police shotgun barrel is locked down with a “ball detent” system in conjunction with the magazine cap vs. a lesser grade “synthetic magazine spring retainer” lock down as used on the Express system.
    • The receivers used in Police guns are “vibra honed” to smooth out rough finishes and remove burrs before parkerization or bluing.
    • Police shotguns use machined ejectors and extractors, as opposed to powdered metal cast which are utilized on the Express models.


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