Remington Golden Bullets quality up?

[hammerklavier]

I just finished a box of 225 Remington Golden Bullets, hollowpoints, in my new Henry. They shot well, no misfires, they seemed consistent. This box was marked "new and improved"

 

[R.W.Dale]

What is this mysterious new cartridge of which you speak?

 

[The_Next_Generation]

Yep, my experiences have been the same! It seems that somehow the golden bullets have gotten better

Maybe thats just because some 22 is better than no 22

R.W.Dale, its a brand new cartridge; really tough to find

 

[R.W.Dale]

Joking aside it seems that the label of "best bulk 22" moves around to various makers cyclically.

10years ago golden bullet was very good. I used to tell folks to try golden bullet all the time in picky semis.

But then a few years later the stuff was rife with squibs and FTF rounds. At that time it seemed federal made the superior bulk ammo. So I'm not surprised to hear that "golden bullet" is on the rebound

 

[22-rimfire]

Yep, my experiences have been the same! It seems that somehow the golden bullets have gotten better.

Those are the 225 ct bulk packs and they indeed seem to be more consistant. They also cost more, or I should say "costed" as I haven't seen any in approaching two years. Yes, some is better than none.

 

[bullzeye8]

I noticed that too they never used to be great but recently they have not been having problems and seem much better.

 

[RustyShackelford]

Pump the brakes.....

I am not so sure about Big Green's Golden Saber line.
I've posted remarks before about the sub-standard QC of a 25 round box of 185gr +P JHP. I got a box in central PA, www.Route66sportinggoods.com last winter(11/2013). I paid $28.00 USD.

Remington needs to improve the QC across the boards. It'd be great if a exec or marketing staff member read a few forum remarks or looked into customer complaints.

I'd go back to Golden Sabers maybe if they clean up their act.

 

[Steel Horse Rider]

I would buy some if any store actually had any.....

 

[Tom_AZ]

I usually have good luck with them

 

[alexander45]

There putting all the questionable rounds in the buckets is my guess

 

[Midwest]

Oh that obscure round, the mythical .22lr. I kind of recall that they were plentiful in the 2000's and every LGS and sporting goods store had them fully stocked on the shelves for sale.

No really, I am not joking.

Honest...

.

 

[sappyg]

My experience is that the GB's are GTG. They accurately run in any auto loader I've tried them in and seem consistent. Even Thunderbolt runs well but does show inconsistent powder charge.
In spite of what I have read on the interwebz GB's have been very consistent. Accurate without a fault with no ill effects in any pistol or rifle. Can't always say that about some standby loads. I would place it above Federal and Winchester.

 

[Dr.Zubrato]

remington GB were always more than a few steps below federal.
extremely dirty, tons of misfires, but accurate as any 22.
the rounds were coated in some waxy substance which turned your thumb black, and once fired dirtied up the gun in ways I couldn't imagine prior.
per magazine of 10, I'd find about 3-5 failure to fires.
were bought maybe 2 years ago, never buying remington .22lr again

not too long ago, there was a father & son shooting a .22 pistol out on the range, and they were extremely frustrated they were getting so many misfires, they seemed so down and out they were about to ragequit and call it a day.
I lent them a handful of federals, and the pistol ran like a top. Smiles, and laughs all around.
Venture a guess at the faulty ammo?

maybe they upped their QC since, but I'm not a gambling man, and I sure don't feel like wasting money on a product they seem not to care about.

 

[Bruce Hanson]

I hope they are improved. I just bought a 1400 round bucket of them. First .22lr I've seen in a year.

 

[22-rimfire]

remington GB were always more than a few steps below federal.
extremely dirty, tons of misfires, but accurate as any 22.
the rounds were coated in some waxy substance which turned your thumb black, and once fired dirtied up the gun in ways I couldn't imagine prior.
per magazine of 10, I'd find about 3-5 failure to fires.
were bought maybe 2 years ago, never buying remington .22lr again

not too long ago, there was a father & son shooting a .22 pistol out on the range, and they were extremely frustrated they were getting so many misfires, they seemed so down and out they were about to ragequit and call it a day.
I lent them a handful of federals, and the pistol ran like a top. Smiles, and laughs all around.
Venture a guess at the faulty ammo?

maybe they upped their QC since, but I'm not a gambling man, and I sure don't feel like wasting money on a product they seem not to care about.

Remington Golden Bullets used to be the premium Remington line. They were extremely reliable for many years. Your impressions are colored by what has happened in the last 10 years.

The potential problem I see now is mixing of older and current manufactured stuff and confirming impressions based on stuff that is older.

The one thing I don't know is IF the box does not state "New and Improved" are we looking at a different QA/QC grade of Remington ammo now? I can't find ammo to even test the hypothesis. My hope is that all of current manufacture is new and improved regardless of what is written on the box.

But I will say that I still used Remington 22LR ammo even when the dud rate ran about 7%. I just didn't load semi-auto firearms with the stuff. It has always been fairly accurate for HV ammo.

 

[MCMXI]

There putting all the questionable rounds in the buckets is my guess

You're incorrect. I worked at Remington for two years developing ammunition (left last year). I can tell you for a fact that they're not putting questionable rounds in buckets. There was a corrosion issue with the buckets that was resolved fairly quickly but Remington greatly improved the GB line with a simple change and misfires dropped to statistically insignificant numbers. I saw a test report where they only had 3 misfires in 1,000,000 rounds shot in various firearms. Yes, that's 1,000,000. I have more than 10,000 of the newer GB rounds and have shot a bunch more with zero issues.

 

[sappyg]

You're incorrect..

That's an odd quote that I never made. How did you do that?

I will add that your time at Remington was well spent because IME Remington is currently producing some very fine rimfire ammo.

 

[Deaf Smith]

Maybe they seem to have gotten better cause we don't shoot them so much anymore due to prices.

Deaf

 

[22-rimfire]

That's an odd quote that I never made. How did you do that?

Have to say that is pretty funny since you were complimentry toward Golden Bullets and Remington 22 ammunition in general.

1858: Do you know if all golden bullets now produced are "New and Improved" regardless of whether or not it is written on the box?

 

[MCMXI]

That's an odd quote that I never made. How did you do that?

I will add that your time at Remington was well spent because IME Remington is currently producing some very fine rimfire ammo.

My apologies ... I corrected my previous post. I didn't work on rimfire projects so I had nothing to do with the improvements. However, I can vouch for those improvements and the significant reduction in misfires. I shot a LOT of ammunition when I worked at Remington including a bunch of GB .22LR and didn't have a single misfire.

 

[MCMXI]

1858: Do you know if all golden bullets now produced are "New and Improved" regardless of whether or not it is written on the box?

All GBs currently being made (at least since late '11) are new and improved but it's possible that batches of older boxes are being used for packaging. As with any high speed process producing in excess of 6,000,000 rounds per day there will always be the odd mistake, but the vast majority of the product is very good. It's still dirty though and I doubt that will change any time soon.

 

[wally]

They had no place to go but up, if they'd gotten worse they'd be hazardous to the shooters and bystanders! I haven't bought any since I had five blown rims in a single box along with the all too common duds and loose bullets that "folded" instead of feeding.

If price comes down and availability goes up I might give them a try again, as the ones that actually fired or didn't blow the rims always shot well enough. Unlike Thunderbolt that ever since they switched from the "old" waxy lube to the polymer coating does nothing but lead my barrels and lose all trace of accuracy after ~150 rounds.

 

[sniper69]

Well 3 225 rd. boxes of Remington 22LR golden bullets followed me home today from walmart. The remington stuff has been shooting quite well through my .22's so figured why not.

But if anyone is looking for 22LR - I know it isn't remington, but sgammo has aguila 500 rd bricks (limit of 10 bricks) available now (220 bricks left, they started about 2 hours ago with 400 bricks). 10 cents a round - not as good of a price as 22 at walmart, but not a bad price compared to some places. Figured a heads up for anyone in need of 22 LR.

 

[Ky Larry]

This current silliness has been a God send for Remington. For whatever reason, Rem GB quality had started downhill at least 5 years ago. For whatever reason, they started turning out junk.Ordinarily, we would have left that trash sitting on the shelf and Rem would have been forced to fix their QC. Now, with the current "shortage,"they have no reason to fix their problem child. If I can get any other bulk rimfire ammo, I'll leave Thunder Junk on the shelf. YMMV.

 

[Dr.Zubrato]

@ 22-rimfire
I do say, I am biased towards remington due to my experience with the 22 rimfire I bought, I was pretty mad that I bought 3-4 boxes of the stuff, and I pretty much bought it on the trust of the brand name, rather than previous experience with it. You must agree, though "the last ten years" is a very, very long time for a big name manufacturer to be churning out crap, and it's going to take the next 20 years to fix a reputation like that, imo.

With the AAC company fiasco, the rem 700 recalls, the R51, and coupled with my experience with their ammo...
I won't be buying anything remington anytime soon.
Not a slight against anyone who worked or works there, but as a consumer I just don't have any faith in the product design or QC process, nor would I recommend them to a friend.

Plenty of other all-american companies competing to make a name for themselves as high quality manufacturers to be throwing your dollars around after Cerberus Group...