Remington model 8

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Just bought a Rem model 8 ,in .35 Rem.

Was wondering if any of y'all had experience with it.

Watched a youtube video on takedown & cleaning = looks a bit tough but not impossible.

LOVE that Frank Hammer used one to 'remove' Bonnie & Clyde.
 

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My father in law has one in .30 Remington. He even has factory cartridges for it. Haven't shot it, but it is a cool gun. I kinda want an 81 in .35 Remington. I have an affinity for reciprocating barrels.
 
It was the first centerfire rifle I hunted with back in the 50's. Belonged to my grandfather and was eventually passed down to me. It was a .35 Remington and took more than its share of deer and black bear.
 
Just bought a Rem model 8 ,in .35 Rem.

Was wondering if any of y'all had experience with it.

Watched a youtube video on takedown & cleaning = looks a bit tough but not impossible.

LOVE that Frank Hammer used one to 'remove' Bonnie & Clyde.
Yes, I have one and like it a lot. I've carried it hunting once but didn't see a deer. It shoots Leverlution ammo pretty good. I did pay some extra bucks to put some old (but New) Marbles sights on it. I had to re-repair a repair inside of it so I have had it totally apart.
 
When I was a kid, a model 08 in 35, was my fathers deer rifle... He shot a LOT of deer with that rifle, finally moving to a 30-06 in the 60's when he wanted more power further down range.

DM
 
Have one, but have not used it in the field.
Mine was built in 1935.

Picked it up for its classicality when a friend was selling off his collection a couple years back.

Always thought it was a cool rifle & finally acquired that one when the opportunity was good & I trusted the owner not to sell a clunker.

Does about 4 inches on average at 100 yards.

And it remains unconfirmed that Hamer used one in the B&C fracas.
There WAS one there, but indications are he didn't use it.
Denis
 
I had an original Model 8. I think it was dated around 1918 (not sure). It was a good shooter and reliable. I don't know why I sold it, wish I would have kept. it.
It was the 1st sucessful semi-auto and it's also a take-down model.
 
Watch the video several times and find a written procedure too before taking the rifle apart. Probably the most complicated rifle I have worked on.
 
It's a neat rifle, but not one of Browning's best designs.
Denis
 
Thank y'all

Appreciate all the comments [ even negative ones :) ].

And I did watch the video and now have a VERY good idea about my planned cleaning.

btw = there is a picture online that shows all the guns used at the 'removal' of Bonny & Clyde and there is a model 8 in that picture,just sayin ,s'all.
 
None of my comments were intended to be negative. :)
It's a classic & I like mine.

As I said- there WAS one documented 8 at the fracas, but no concrete documentation of it being used by Hamer.

There is fairly reliable documentation of one being used by another member of the party.

Hamer's son years later showed a Rem he claimed was the very one his Dad bought specifically to use in chasing B&C.
Problem was it was a Model 81, and those were not even produced in 1934.

You can spend some time doing research & find various accounts that differ greatly about who carried what that day.

Hamer himself never mentioned using the 8.
Denis
 
I have an 81, pretty much the same thing, in 300 Savage. I would advise trying to take apart anything in the receiver. It isn't necessary anyway, for regular cleaning. There is a reason the 8 and 81s look like a Browning A-5 shotgun; they are basically the same gun.

I have never heard anyone say the A-5 is easy to disassemble and put back together. I would also advise against taking the barrel out of its jacket. That recoil spring is a monster to control. (I know, i'm spoiling all your fun!) It just isn't necessary for regular maintenance, but if you must, be sure you don't reassemble with the spring guide backwards. If you do the gun won't function. It will short stroke and fail to feed from the magazine. No harm done, but it means you have to take it apart again!

These guns aren't tack drivers. Expect accuracy good enough for iron sight hunting; three inches or so at 100 yards. They also have the annoying habit of launching the empties straight up, ten of fifteen feet. They then fall straight down....where they either ding the finish on the gun or go straight down your collar, producing a nasty burn. Buy a straw hat and wear it!

The guns themselves are a marvel of craftsmanship from a bygone era. From the rust bluing to the magnificent polish and fitting of the parts. Incidentally, you can tell when your gun was made by the date code on the left side of the barrel jacket, just ahead of the receiver. There should be two letters, the first is the month, the second, the year. Google "Remington Date codes" for the key. If there is no code present, the gun was made before 1921, the first year Remington started using them.

Good shooting
 
@ tark

I went to youtube and they have a GREAT bunch of video that show in detail how to do ALL the cleaning and takedown of the complete gun.

I doubt I will try the whole shebang as I don't have the wrench to take the barrel apart [ yet ],but the barrel is the easier part --- really.

Thanks again all,love the input and plan on deer hunting with it just due to the fact ---- I CAN !!.
 
I guess everyone figured out That I meant to say "I would advise AGAINST" trying to take apart the parts in the receiver. Instructions often look easy, especially on video, but the person taking the gun apart may have done it many times. And it IS easy ....for him. If you try it, go slow, take notes and pictures of how everything looks before you start. It can be a big help later.
 
I had one brought to me several bigger shops had tried to fix to no avail. As tark said, it was only the muzzle spring guide in backwards. 15 minutes and he was one happy camper.
Catpop
 
FAST cleaning job

The fastest way to clean them [ according to the video ] is to remove the barrel [ that IS easy ] and then to remove the stock [ that too is easy ] now all you need to is blast out all the crud in the action [ a gun blast product should suffice ] ,then after air hosing it dry - add a bit of lube.

Its will not be as clean as total takedown,but it sure as heck should be totally function clean.
 
That sounds like a good plan! There just isn't much sense in going any further for normal cleaning. I watched a video on disassembly, the one with the Gulf War vet. It was terrible. It showed the guy plucking parts out of the receiver without any close up shots showing what the parts looked like or exactly WHERE in the receiver they came from. And he didn't mention that those parts have powerful springs attached to them. The guy had obviously done the work many times and It was easy for him. He had no clue about how to make a video showing someone who had never taken one apart how to do it.

When I got my 81 I took one look at the inside if the receiver, read all the warnings in the disassembly manual and told myself "No Way". That same book also said in no uncertain terms that only a gunsmith should ever try to field strip the breechbolt.

Good advice.
 
That's one of the primary reasons for my statement about it not being one of Browning's best designs.
It is not particularly user-serviceable by the average guy or gal. :)

The long recoil idea never really took off in the gun world.
This application is complex & not easy to work on at home.
Denis
 
Scaatylobo, if you can find one, a book by John Henwood, titled "The 8 and the 81" is the defining work on these guns. John is probably no longer with us, but I met him twenty years ago at his home in Pacifica, California. His collection was truly awesome.

In the book he tells of the history of the gun, its use by famous people (Yes Frank Hammer owned one in .25 Rem.) and its appearances in Hollywood. He also writes extensively of the guns problem areas, dos and don'ts on disassembly and assembly and breakage prone parts. He warns against ever trying to take apart the breech bolt and carrier assembly. He also mentions the military's brief affair with the gun and how many fakes of rare variations are spotted. The military marked model 8s are very valuable. An 81 in 25 Remington is a fake and so is a model 8 in .300 savage.

John was obviously recoil shy, as he repeatedly complains about the "Punishing Recoil" of the 35s and 300 Savage rifles. I don't see this in my 81 in 300 S, it doesn't seem to kick any more than my bolt action gun in the same caliber.

If you can't find the book, I will tell you the one golden rule when it comes to these rifles:

NEVER DRY FIRE AN 8 OR AN 81!!!! Never, ever!!! The firing pin is long and thin and prone to breakage when dry fired. And then....you have to disassemble that bolt carrier to fix it! As long as you observe that golden rule, your gun should have a long, happy, deer killing life!!
 
It is an excellent book, used it as one research source. :)
The best documented use of the 8 against B&C was one borrowed by Prentiss Oakley from a Louisiana dentist.
Most likely that's the one on top of the car in the photo.

No Model 8 was listed in the inventory of guns found in the stolen Ford with B&C.
Hamer later said he himself used "an automatic shotgun".

The version Hamer Jr displayed as his Dad's gun bought for the hunt wasn't available till 1940, 6 years after B&C died.
Denis
 
Dpris & Tark

Thank you both as that was very informative.

I now know to STOP dry firing it,but will use a snap cap to relieve hammer .

I will look for that book too.

I still say that Hammer used a 8 in .35 as I read about it a "few" decades back and yes I know about his sons gun being a phony.
 
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