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I have done more than one google, midway, sinclair, optics planet, and cabellas search trying to find a remote trigger puller and I have not found one. I am looking for one that is pneumatic and can be used to take the human element out of my load dev from the Lead Sled that I just bought.

Anyone have a clue where to find one?
 
Those are illegal it has to be a mechanism like that hydraulic one where you do the work. An electronic remote trigger is illegal it has to be ran by your physical action be it a string or that funky hydraulic plunger.
 
Can you site the law that makes electronic remote trigger illegal? It seems a nubmer of years ago when States were banning remote hunting, it would have been pointless if federal law already forbid remote triggers. As far as eletronic firing that has already been done on bolt action rifles some like the Remingtons needed special primers but thoes imported by Beeman used standard ammo.
 
I'm sure you could scrounge up the parts at any major hobby shop and cobble something together.
The legalities are not my strong point so I'll leave that part alone.
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an electric one would be illegal because it would be trivially easy to convert any semi-auto into an auto with such a thing. no I cannot cite a law
 
an electric one would be illegal because it would be trivially easy to convert any semi-auto into an auto with such a thing. no I cannot cite a law
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"Would be illegal" and is illegal are two entirely different things.

It's also trivially easy for someone with the right knowledge to turn any ordinary AR into an M-16, but that doesn't make ARs illegal. A better example: it's trivially easy for ANYONE to turn any semi into an MG with a piece of string.

If you can't cite a law, well.. there's no proof.
 
an electric one would be illegal because it would be trivially easy to convert any semi-auto into an auto with such a thing. no I cannot cite a law
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For some reason this idea keeps coming up. Remington actually SOLD COMMERCIALLY an electronicly fired rifle not too many years back.

Certainly not true. Remington even used to sell a rifle with an electric trigger. http://www.popularmechanics.com/outdoors/survival/gear/1277311

Here's a drop-in unit developed for 10/22s: http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=317395

Can't have a trigger than fires the mechanism repeatedly, and depending on how easily programmable the thing was to a multiple-fire mode, the ATF may have a problem with it, but the basic idea is legal.
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Now, unfortunately, I can't answer the original question, but hopefully the side track is settled.
 
For the moment, discounting the issue(s) of legality with a focus on what the OP is after I see it as an effort to fire a rifle, be it semi automatic or a bolt gun or a lever gun or any number of other rifles with a capacity of one or more cartridges. This needs to be done in a way that produces very good repeatability on the trigger pull. Anything fast acting like an electrical solenoid solenoid device would likely create unwanted shock (for want of a better word).

Given a design choice I might consider a small geared DC fractional HP motor that is reversible. The motor drives a ball screw or lead screw device which mechanically applies a slow, steady and constant force on the trigger. Actually if someone wanted to get cool about it a force gauge could be employed and when the thing goes bang the actual force required on the trigger could be accurately recorded. Once the rifle was fired the motor would be reversed backing off the trigger.

How remote is defined is another animal all together. Does remote have to mean wireless? Remote can be a simple as a tethered cord having a pendant with a forward and reverse button.

Regardless a single "trigger pull" will result in one shot and only one shot. Initiating another shot will require trigger release.

Anyway, I would consider using a small DC fractional HP reversible motor as I outlined incorporating a lead screw system. That would deliver what I believe the OP is after accurately and with repeatability eliminating the human factor in trigger pull. I can't see in any way where it would meet the definition of machine gun but before building it I would send a set of drawings to ATF for review explaining in detail the intended application.

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The BATFE considers any autoloading electrically-triggered firearm to be a machine gun, because it would be trivial to make it fire full-auto at that point.

The Remington electrically-triggered guns were bolt-action rifles, and thus inherently NOT machine guns.

The one thing I can possibly suggest is an inflatable rubber bulb with a pump that you can place in the trigger guard. That will allow you to gently squeeze air into it until the rifle fires. You can easily construct one yourself out of surgical tubing. There's no reason to overcomplicate this. Simple solutions work best.

Another option is one of those cranks that are sometimes used on .22 rifles to make them fire rapidly. They just attach to the trigger guard. They usually will fire something like 4 rounds per full rotation. Then you can just gently move the crank with one finger and it will work the trigger.
 
The BATFE considers any autoloading electrically-triggered firearm to be a machine gun, because it would be trivial to make it fire full-auto at that point.
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WW, I will completely accept this if you can show me a letter that says so.

The 10/22 electric trigger I posted links to is not for some mysterious lever-action or bolt-action version of the 10/22, as far as I can see. And those guys are selling them (with plenty of happy users) right now.

As others pointed out, depending on your personal skill set, milling what needs milled to make an AR-15 run full-auto might be easier than re-programming an electrical trigger control to go "cyclic." So, ease of conversion seems rather arbitrary.
 
Be careful with that Lead-sled. They've been known to crack wooden stocks and knock scopes outta kilter.
 
Sam, I think people are thinking "electronic trigger" like a drill attached to one of the crank fire, gatling style devices (that would be illegal). Not like the electronic triggers for rifles and pistols that have been around since the mid '80 (perfectly legal).

Could one assemble a simple device using a 555 IC and other parts from radioshack along with an electronic triggered rifle and create something illegal? Sure, but you can also do that with your shoelace and a mini 14, doesn't make shoelaces or mini 14s illegal.
 
Get 2 syringes and some IV tubing and fill them with water. Push the plunger on one and the other plunger comes out. Tape or rubber band one to the trigger guard and go to town.

You can even use 2 different size syringes to get mechanical advantage.

-J.
 
jmorris, I completely agree, and that's my understanding. But some are saying that ANY electrically triggered firearm (ok...so not a bolt-action, so any semi-auto fitted with an electronic trigger) is considered by the BATFE to be a machine gun because it could be easily re-programmed to fire more than one round per trigger pull.

I could believe they WOULD, however I don't believe they HAVE. And there are folks out there making and selling such, publically and without getting hassled, so until/unless something changes...
 
OK, just got off the phone with a "specialist" at the NFA branch of the BATFE. Using the example of "a power door lock button and solenoid, like in a car, to remotely trigger a firearm.". He said the idea was not illegal but as always write out what you want to do and send it in and they will send back an approval letter. Likely not a bad idea if a LEO is as misinformed as the general public on the matter.
 
OK, just got off the phone with a "specialist" at the NFA branch of the BATFE. Using the example of "a power door lock button and solenoid, like in a car, to remotely trigger a firearm.". He said the idea was not illegal but as always write out what you want to do and send it in and they will send back an approval letter.
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Excellent work - this is always a far better approach than asking strangers on an Internet forum.
 
No problem, 6 day old thread for a 2 minute answer. If you need it in the future the NFA branch # is 304-616-3500.
 
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No problem, 6 day old thread for a 2 minute answer. If you need it in the future the NFA branch # is 304-616-3500.
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You beat me to it. When in doubt, call the feds! I have yet to have them fail to answer me promptly and courteously.
 
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