357wheelgunner
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I can't get the follower out of my new 870 Express. How do I do it??
Removing new Express mag follower
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dak0ta
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1. Unscrew Magazine Cap
2. Remove Barrel
3. Depending on the year of production your Express mag will have dimples or none.
3a) If there are dimples, push the spring in and turn until the black plastic piece with the serrated teeth comes out of the tube.
4. Take the spring out
5. Flip the gun over so mag tube faces the floor, and push the orange follower out at the receiver end.
6. Voila.
2. Remove Barrel
3. Depending on the year of production your Express mag will have dimples or none.
3a) If there are dimples, push the spring in and turn until the black plastic piece with the serrated teeth comes out of the tube.
4. Take the spring out
5. Flip the gun over so mag tube faces the floor, and push the orange follower out at the receiver end.
6. Voila.
357wheelgunner
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I tried that, it won't fall out the tube past the dimples. Any ideas?
MAX100
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There should be slots on the follower. Line the slots with the dimples: stick your finger in, get a hold of it, line it up and pull it out.
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357wheelgunner
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I got it out, friction was holding it back. Thanks for the advice guys.
Now that I've learned what a pain in the ass these dimples are, I'm going to just drill them out like I should have done in the first place....
Now that I've learned what a pain in the ass these dimples are, I'm going to just drill them out like I should have done in the first place....
WRT the dimples...
If you've got a Wingmaster or another Remington gun without the dimples, you'll know why I like the dimples. The magazine spring retainer on the non-dimple guns are a PITA in every way. If you want to put in or remove the plug, you need pliers, and plan on chasing flying parts across the room. Wear safety glasses.
Now, with a mag extension, that's all different, but if I'm going to use the regular magazine, I'd much rather have the dimple system than the "pry and fly!" system of the Wingmaster.
Note that Remington sells the Express with an extended mag, and they don't overcharge for it. Why not just buy the version you want?
(I'm often not a defender of Remington, but in this case, I am. )
If you've got a Wingmaster or another Remington gun without the dimples, you'll know why I like the dimples. The magazine spring retainer on the non-dimple guns are a PITA in every way. If you want to put in or remove the plug, you need pliers, and plan on chasing flying parts across the room. Wear safety glasses.
Now, with a mag extension, that's all different, but if I'm going to use the regular magazine, I'd much rather have the dimple system than the "pry and fly!" system of the Wingmaster.
Note that Remington sells the Express with an extended mag, and they don't overcharge for it. Why not just buy the version you want?
(I'm often not a defender of Remington, but in this case, I am.
)DaleCooper51
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Not to hijack this thread, but how durable is the plastic follower with the teeth on the expresses? My other shotguns are older wingmasters and have the old style ball detent, but I just picked up a new 20ga Wingmaster and it uses this system. I imagine that it works fairly well or I would read more about failures.
Thanks for any replies.
Thanks for any replies.
357wheelgunner
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I find it hard to believe that they would void the warranty on something like the trigger group because the magazine tube dimples have been drilled out. That would be terrible customer service.
In fact:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnuson-Moss_Warranty_Act
Virginian
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Remington made the change because the dimples and the serrated plastic part are cheaper than the detent ball magazine cap retainer set up.
On the non dimpled guns, you don't need to fight with the spring retainer if it bothers you. Just drop a pencil or dowel the right length thru the hole for a plug.
On the non dimpled guns, you don't need to fight with the spring retainer if it bothers you. Just drop a pencil or dowel the right length thru the hole for a plug.
Throw the stock follower in the garbage and get a Wilson Combat follower. And as far as that plastic retainer I always toss those and just torque my caps or extensions down with channel locks. Never had a malf in 870 or 1187.
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DaleCooper51
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I was speaking of the retainer not the follower. Sorry for any mix up in terminology. Thanks for the replies.
LOL
You might at least have checked the readily available MSRP before spreading silly rumors.
Current MSRP of 870 Express 12 Gauge Synthetic with...
28 or 26" vent rib: $373
18.5" plain barrel: $359
18.5" w/ mag extension: $388
That extra 29 bucks they charge for an option that costs 50 bucks from an aftermarket vendor just must be some evil guvmint conspiracy.
The reason for the dimples is so that they could use a different, cheaper plastic part that would retain both the magazine spring and the magazine cap, instead of a small spring-loaded ball detent for the cap and a spring steel cap for the spring -- both of which are more expensive and more labor-intensive to install at the factory.
It just so happens that the plastic retainer is much less of a hassle to remove and replace for mud removal, cleaning, and installing/removing the duck plug, which is why I like the "dimples" on a field gun. It can be done anywhere with the screwdriver/beer opener on my Victorinox, with no fear of shooting parts into a pond or thick brush, where they will never be seen again.
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The mag cap is not designed to be under pressure, either on the Express or the Wingmaster designs, and those of us who take shotguns into the field don't have the luxury of doing everything on a workbench. The plastic Express retainer, with the dimples, solves that problem.
Not every shotgun is intended to sit in the corner loaded with buckshot.
Not every shotgun is intended to sit in the corner loaded with buckshot.
oneounceload
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A BIG AMEN to that.......wish there were more threads about non HD shotguns on here
MAX100
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The Remington Express that comes with the factory tube extension is the best deal.
Model # 25077 Express 18.5" heavier barrel, Factory tube extension kit, No mag tube dimples, detent on the barrel ring, extra power mag spring. Low retail price $330 The tube extension kit is worth about $90. That's a deal!
No dimples to contend with. I have posted this info many times.
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Model # 25077 Express 18.5" heavier barrel, Factory tube extension kit, No mag tube dimples, detent on the barrel ring, extra power mag spring. Low retail price $330 The tube extension kit is worth about $90. That's a deal!
No dimples to contend with. I have posted this info many times.
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jakemccoy
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I have to admit that the old style magazine spring retainer is a pain in the ass. I had bought a used 870P that had a mag extension. I got rid of the mag extension and opted for a no-mag setup. When I first tried to put the spring retainer into the magazine, I thought the store had mailed me the wrong damn part. I wasn't going to mail it back because it's only like 3 bucks. I pulled out my pliers and made it work. It was the right part after all. The plastic spring retainer on my Wingmaster is a piece of cake.
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