Republicans Introduce Anti-Gun Law
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captain awesome
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not surprised, reps from CA, NY and NJ. FL kind of surprises me...i always figured them to be pretty hard core pro-2A.
so the suggestion for discussion was to talk about a course of action, what do ya'll suggest a guy in AZ does about this other than contacting our reps to oppose the bill?
so the suggestion for discussion was to talk about a course of action, what do ya'll suggest a guy in AZ does about this other than contacting our reps to oppose the bill?
This is a threat make no mistake. It's time to keep as alert as if we are being preyed upon because we are.
Having a majority of candidates that profess second amendment support does not always make it so.
I suggest openly professing and buying bump fire stocks, for non inflated prices of course, to support the makers even if you may have to give them up later if this terrible law passes. If you can't afford to it's ok.
Having a majority of candidates that profess second amendment support does not always make it so.
I suggest openly professing and buying bump fire stocks, for non inflated prices of course, to support the makers even if you may have to give them up later if this terrible law passes. If you can't afford to it's ok.
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FL is a lot like CO. Geographically, extreme majority conservative/libertarian and pro-2A. But the few major cities tend to dominate a lot of elections and public policy. Sometimes with gerrymandering, often with lots of unqualified votes, but nevertheless, overruling what the states traditionally have been.
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Which is also off topic for the thread.
And be careful what you wish for.
I'm not worried about a convention of the states, just like I'm not worried about them being able to repeal the 2nd Amendment. The majority of people in this country are pretty reasonable, and when they get their say good things generally happen. The problem with our political system is that it represents only political extremes, which is maybe 20% of voters, which is how you end up with tons of stuff getting passed that literally almost no one supports.
I really do believe that's our last and only chance to get this country back online without another revolution. We've already lost the battle for Washington, so it stands to reason that we should focus our efforts on getting the states to challenge them through constitutional means, and I think we have a much greater chance of reaching our state legislators, or at least I believe there are many left who aren't bought and paid for. If every conservative in this country made it their sole agenda to lobby for a convention, I think that's something that we could reasonably make happen.
I'd be very worried if I were you. We haven't had such a Convention since 1787... why?
Because once called, it has the unfettered power to completely rewrite the Constitution from top-to-bottom.
Who would be the members of such a convention?
The same class of career politicians you have now.
In the current climate of uber-Liberal extremes shutting down all discourse and using riots/mobs to control the public assembly...
Be afraid of such power.
Be very afraid,
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It's the least extreme option we have at our disposal that has the potential to be effective. And the sooner the better, while we still have some good people left in our state governments.
RAEIndustries
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Sounds like every bill thyme been doing for 10 years
Ironicaintit
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I hope and pray that this proposal is DOA. And...I don't think trump would sign it.
But, ya never know.
But, ya never know.
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Oh, I think he would sign it in a heartbeat. He's already voiced his support for banning bump fire stocks.
Ironicaintit
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Well, that is his knee jerk reaction. He's prone to those. I like to think that upon further research and reflection, he can back peddle away from that.
VoodooMountain
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The NRA, Republican Party, and possibly Trump will allow this to happen. It should have never got this far to begin with. I'm honestly surprised and have been quite angry with this whole situation.
Any device that allows a firearm to shoot faster can mean A LOT of different things from trigger, stock, grips, mags, sights, gas operation, piston operation, capacity, muzzle devices, even big loop levers.
Pretty much anything.
This is the type of vague wording gun grabbers dream of.
I hope this thread doesn't get closed because ALL members of this forum need to be aware and need to contact their representatives and the NRA. This is turning in the Clinton administration.
Meanwhile,Feinstein is trying to introduce an AWB while also admitting no laws are able to prevent mass shootings and also admitting years ago she wanted ALL firearms removed from American citizens.
This is 1994 all over again.
This bill hopefully goes nowhere but we all need to take action and take notice.
Any device that allows a firearm to shoot faster can mean A LOT of different things from trigger, stock, grips, mags, sights, gas operation, piston operation, capacity, muzzle devices, even big loop levers.
Pretty much anything.
This is the type of vague wording gun grabbers dream of.
I hope this thread doesn't get closed because ALL members of this forum need to be aware and need to contact their representatives and the NRA. This is turning in the Clinton administration.
Meanwhile,Feinstein is trying to introduce an AWB while also admitting no laws are able to prevent mass shootings and also admitting years ago she wanted ALL firearms removed from American citizens.
This is 1994 all over again.
This bill hopefully goes nowhere but we all need to take action and take notice.
if the law were written carefully -- in such a fashion to limit its application to
devices that for all intents & purposes turn a semi into a full-auto... passage
and signature would be fine with me.
... but we've had this conversation....
* the sound track of the Vegas shooter had the effective clyclic rate of a Kalashnikov.
I just don't need that. Xin Loi....
devices that for all intents & purposes turn a semi into a full-auto... passage
and signature would be fine with me.
... but we've had this conversation....
* the sound track of the Vegas shooter had the effective clyclic rate of a Kalashnikov.
I just don't need that. Xin Loi....
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jhb
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those florida republican politicians are south florida think miami ones. there are no freedom or 2nd amendment supporters down there in politics regardless of party. least not they way most folks think of freedom loving and 2nd amendment supporting. miami acts like any n.e. big city or california big city or chicago etc etc. tampa areas isnt far behind. orlando as well. the rest of the state has to keep them at bay from turning the whole state into california jr..and they would too if they could.
so no surprise on this from those folks.
so no surprise on this from those folks.
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I hope so. But I think he's going to see it as a bipartisan issue. Unfortunately, this isn't something that most casual gun owners are going to be educated enough to even have an opinion on. And more than casual gun owners are timid about sticking up for them because they're so ridiculous. I don't think people are comprehending yet just how much of a gift from the gun control gods this thing in Vegas was. It's almost impossible to defend bump fire stocks in front of a non gun public, and it's the perfect trojan horse to attack semi auto. I mean, even the NRA is on board with banning them, which is still making my head spin (they have to be smart enough to see this is a backdoor to regulate all semi autos). Trump pretty much has the green light from all meaningful parties.
In a way, we have ourselves to blame. By finding ways around the laws, we've inevitably invited further legislation, with broader scope. By blurring the lines between semi and full auto, we've given the left a backdoor to further infringe on something that was generally regarded as safe. And because it's such a technical issue, the public that currently supports banning these stocks won't realize until it's too late that this legislation threatens all semi autos.
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Ironicaintit
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Ah geez grampajack, I was trying to be optimistic.
I hope you're not right, but you probably just nailed it.
I hope you're not right, but you probably just nailed it.
tark
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I hope you're not right, but you probably just nailed it..... Uhhhh....I'm afraid so.
CoalTrain49
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I registered as a Libertarian directly after my state's GOP primary in 2016. The GOP has talked the good talk, but haven't carried through on doing the right thing for decades. Time to hurt them the only way they care about (maintaining political power) as a final plea to change their ways. Regardless of if they wake up and smell the coffee (smells like freedom, by the way), I agree with Libertarian ideals more, anyway...
It's too bad the vast majority of the country is convinced that only two (clueless) parties should be in power.
The GOP lost me this last trip. As you say they'll get the message next year, maybe. The GOP is no longer a valid party as far as I'm concerned. I'll vote 3rd party until something better comes along.
Does anyone here really think that anyone on this list is a Republican?
Carlos Curbelo, FL
Peter King, NY
Leonard Lance, NJ
Patrick MeeHan , PA
Ed Royce, CA
Chris Smith, NJ
Erik Paulsen, MN
Ryan Costello, PA
Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, FL
Charlie Dent, PA
Carlos Curbelo, FL
Peter King, NY
Leonard Lance, NJ
Patrick MeeHan , PA
Ed Royce, CA
Chris Smith, NJ
Erik Paulsen, MN
Ryan Costello, PA
Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, FL
Charlie Dent, PA
AlexanderA
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There seems to be a consensus -- even on this board -- that "full automatics are bad." No, they're not. "Full automatic" is just a modality, and in most situations the main thing it does is waste ammunition. There's no need to apologize for owning a machine gun. As a matter of fact, legal machine guns have only been misused one or two times in the 83 years they have been regulated. (Compare that record to any other category of firearms.) Yet even the NRA won't stand up for machine gun owners, and it persists in spreading the myth that machine guns are illegal.
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Indeed. Poll the forum and you'd get near universal approval that it is right and proper that American citizens can own full auto firearms.
Ask and you'll hear vitriolic hatred for the Hughes Amendment and piles of approbation dumped on the NRA for "allowing" it to be passed into law with FOPA.
Then ask about bumpfire stocks, which put something like full-auto fire back into the hands of the average American citizen, and it's "Whoa! That's just too close to full-auto! That's sneaking in the back door to make our nice guns like deadly machine guns! I don't NEED that. I don't want one so I don't care if this aspect of our rights is banned."
It's either blinkered lack of self-awareness...
... or it's proving the old adage that if you scratch the surface you'll find out that people don't really believe what they say they do, and neither their comprehension of our rights nor their commitment to them are more than skin deep.
Ask and you'll hear vitriolic hatred for the Hughes Amendment and piles of approbation dumped on the NRA for "allowing" it to be passed into law with FOPA.
Then ask about bumpfire stocks, which put something like full-auto fire back into the hands of the average American citizen, and it's "Whoa! That's just too close to full-auto! That's sneaking in the back door to make our nice guns like deadly machine guns! I don't NEED that. I don't want one so I don't care if this aspect of our rights is banned."
It's either blinkered lack of self-awareness...
... or it's proving the old adage that if you scratch the surface you'll find out that people don't really believe what they say they do, and neither their comprehension of our rights nor their commitment to them are more than skin deep.
From what I hear, the NRA then was in support of the Hughes Amendment. And from reading what others have said on Tim's (Military Arms Channel) video, it's 1986 all over again.
The vagueness of this bill is dangerous, they do not name bumpfire stocks, only devices that can increase the rate of fire...so basically they could say years later (either Congress or the ATF, most likely ATF) that triggers need to be a minimum of 10lbs pull and ex amount of take up and ex amount for reset. This needs to be shut down and these fools voted out and replaced by more competent people.
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I've not seen that at all. The consensus on this board, as far as I can tell, is that the NFA should be overturned.
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