Retarded new Kahr PM9 with backward safety?!?

[jocko]

I probably

deserve alot of criticism for my horrible spelling. I never use spell check, but I try to shoot straight with people and not be critical of them until they "start" it. Some people can show their ass without pulling their pants down

It doesn't hurt for kahr to have this model in their line IMO and I would expect possably the PM45 to also be available that way. Nothing wrong with a "choice" as long as we have that choice. Those poor Mass... people had no choice up until now. And ur right, it has not hurt Smith sales of the M & P one bit, because u have that CHOICE..

 

[1911 Operator]

the only permanent change i've been told that kahr is making is the ny trigger pull. it's considerably longer pull before the trigger breaks.

it's still smooth, but it takes you 10minutes to get to the end of the pull lol and it's a little heavier pull as well.

the gun shop guy told me all new kahrs are like this. bad move on kahr's part if that's true, the original trigger pull is much better.

 

[Grayrider]

Kahr is supporting customers who have to comply with the laws of their home state, whether they agree with them or not. Just like gun makers having to chop mags in two during the ban, or make other modifications to get mag capacity down to 10 rounds. It is important for firearms makers to stand behind their customers if at all possible, despite such legislative mumbo-jumbo.

John

 

[jocko]

1911 operator. Kahr is not installing the NY trigger in any gun except their K9 which they have been doing for quite some time. No other kahr has this trigger. I think you need to change gun shop owners... I have the NY trigger in my K9 and it is 1/2" travel where as the standard kahrs are 3/8" travel and to be honest I cannot tell the difference. both are smooth as glass and both are looooong... by design.

 

[1911 Operator]

1911 operator. Kahr is not installing the NY trigger in any gun except their K9 which they have been doing for quite some time. No other kahr has this trigger. I think you need to change gun shop owners... I have the NY trigger in my K9 and it is 1/2" travel where as the standard kahrs are 3/8" travel and to be honest I cannot tell the difference. both are smooth as glass and both are looooong... by design.

i think "changing gun shop owners" is rather drastic lol. i seem to remember they did mention it being on only one model in particulat, now that you mention it.

i can definitely tell the difference in trigger travel distance, as it is quite pronounced.

i don't think the ny trigger is bad, but i just don't like the travel distance to be that much.

just my opinion. i would never buy a kahr anyway, so it doesn't really matter to me anyway.

 

[scotthsi]

The thing that I hate most about that new model is that butt ugly safety warning right on top of the damn slide.....

There's one thing we agree on.

 

[jocko]

have

u actually had the K9 with the NY trigger in it and any other kahr with the 3/8" trigger in it together and pulled them back?? Or are u just stating what you have heard from other people. being you didn't even know of the differences in the triggers, I am wondering how u can even tell us u now know.

compared to a 1911, I would not want a kahr either, each works differently by design, course I don't know of to many 1911's that will ride in ones front pocket either and in what mode, stage 1, 2 or 3...???

yes I was kidding about the gun shop owner and as it turns out, you misquoted him even, so he was right on with his comment about it being in one model only...

 

[scotthsi]

"danez71"]I'll never understand UP to Fire and Down for SAFE but that arraingment has been used in some platforms for decades.

I already explained the reason for that with the PM9 safety design earlier. Please try to follow along...

 

[jocko]

scotthsi. see I just knew there was some "common" ground for us!!!!

 

[1911 Operator]

yeah that GIANT safety warning on top of the slide is somewhat shocking lol

 

[TheProf]

I have before that in other settings that I do like pocket CCW guns NOT to have safeties.
I realize the tactical advantages of not having to mess with an external safety in an emergency.

But in my unique situation.........hmmmm....I think I actually like the idea and will be on the look out for this model.

 

[jocko]

there

u go a fella that likes and wants the new PM9 with the entire constitution of the United States printed right on top of the slide to:banghead::banghead:

 

[Shipwreck]

I have before that in other settings that I do like pocket CCW guns NOT to have safeties.
I realize the tactical advantages of not having to mess with an external safety in an emergency.

This is why I wouldn't buy that Sig 380. I don't want a pocket gun that I have to deactivate a safety on to shoot.

I have a Pm9. But if I was going to buy a pocket 380, I'd get the new Kahr 380, I believe.

 

[jocko]

the sig

380 is a single action semi. Not sure it would be a good pocket gun sitting in ones pocket in cocked and locked mode and probalby worse sitting in ones pocket in hammer down mode also.

I have the P380 and that little gun is the most accurate 380 I have ever shot. Puts to shame my lcp which is a nice gun as far as going bang etc but was not accurate for me at all. My P380 shoots for me better than I do my PM9, now figure that crap out. Great sights and xs is coming out with their big dot night sights for this little P380 very shortly. Not a cheap gun but it is not a cheap made gun either, just a full scalled down version of thePM9 in every detail. Kahr did a nice job on this little bugger, Smaller than the lcp and kt 380 even but just feels so much more quality when in ones hand. Just a dman hard gun to find laying around dealer shelves though... I love mine but still I pick up my PM9 24/7 when I go out.FIREPOWER PREVAILS..

 

[scotthsi]

If/when I find a Kahr P380 and IF Kahr doesn't add all the extra safety crap, I WILL dump my two Kel-Tec P3ATs, probably by selling them after the fact. Yes, this is even though they have been perfectly reliable. But, I still have that nagging "these are going to break anytime" feeling. Jocko damn well knows what I'm talking about with the P3ATs.

 

[m2steven]

about the design favoring the human hand. I don't think Kahr gives a rat's A$$ if ANYONE EVER uses the safety. As another said, they want to sell their guns in maryland or wherever.

 

[scotthsi]

I'm surprised Kahr didn't also throw in a magazine disconnect safety with all the other garbage, too. It's required in some places to be legally sold.

 

[jocko]

probably no room to do it:banghead::banghead: My M & P had it in and I had it taken out. It has its purpose IMO.

 

[grimjaw]

Glad I got one of the pre-safety ones before they aren't available anymore.

 

[HiVelSword]

It looks wretched but it really doesn't matter if it's backwards. Their asinine laws don't require you to carry it with the safety engaged.

I'd only be concerned about that safety gouging my thumb when shooting +p's.

 

[Yosemite Sam]

I'm a happy MK9 (all-steel) owner.

The thing I don't get is that it already has a loaded chamber indicator. It's on the right side of the slide just behind the ejection port. You can even see it in the picture. Why put a 2nd one on the top of the slide? What's worse is that they labeled it "INDICATOR" and put a dummy warning right behind it.

That totally makes it ugly. Why put a 2nd LCI on the dang gun if it already had one to begin with???

 

[scotthsi]

There is no loaded chamber indicator, Yosemite Sam. At least on the current design. I'm looking at my PM and MK9 now and all I see on the right side behind the ejection port is the extractor and the extractor plunger immediately behind it, which is that small, silver recessed piece of metal. The small rectangular cutout on the top of the extractor is not a loaded chamber indicator at all. In fact, it sits entirely behind the chamber and, obviously, the chambered round.

However, I CAN tell if there's a round in the chamber as the extractor does not sit flush with the slide as it does with an empty chamber. A swipe of my trigger finger will tell me if the extractor is flush or not. Not sure if that was by design, but it is what it is. Again, there is no INTENTIONAL loaded safety indicator on any of the current Kahrs.

 

[dwhite]

Anyone else note how far the loaded chamber indicator protrudes from the top of the slide? This looks like it could be easily damaged inserting the pistol into a holster.

All the Best,
D. White

 

[DeepSouth]

There is no loaded chamber indicator, Yosemite Sam. At least on the current design. I'm looking at my PM and MK9 now and all I see on the right side behind the ejection port is the extractor and the extractor plunger immediately behind it, which is that small, silver recessed piece of metal. The small rectangular cutout on the top of the extractor is not a loaded chamber indicator at all. In fact, it sits entirely behind the chamber and, obviously, the chambered round.

However, I CAN tell if there's a round in the chamber as the extractor does not sit flush with the slide as it does with an empty chamber. A swipe of my trigger finger will tell me if the extractor is flush or not. Not sure if that was by design, but it is what it is. Again, there is no INTENTIONAL loaded safety indicator on any of the current Kahrs.

Page 20 of the Owners manual says:

Extractor as a Loaded Chamber indicator

The extractor on all Kahr pistols protrude outward from the surface of the slide when the properly designated caliber is in the chamber. The extractor is located on the right side of the slide directly behind the ejection port. The extractor protrusion permits visual and tactile (felt) confirmation of a chambered round.

I feel sure this is what Yosemite Sam was referring to. They (Kahr) never refer to it as an indicator they just make the observation that it can be used that way. I would think if I already had a part of the design that could be used as an indicator Why add another? I'm willing to bet it is like the rest of the mods to the pistol....just to meet legal specs and make the anti's happy, in order to give their product to a wider market.

Anyone else note how far the loaded chamber indicator protrudes from the top of the slide? This looks like it could be easily damaged inserting the pistol into a holster.

It LOOKS like a copy of the Springfield XD's indicator. If that is the case it doesn't stick up far at all, definitely not enough to be damaged by a holster. The holster would likely be the item to receive any damage anyway, but it protrudes up less than the front sight on the XD.

 

[jocko]

scortts, I would say that is what most are referring to about a loaded chamber indicator. If the extractor protrudes with a round in it and it can be felt, then the gun is loaded. With no roundin the chamber the extractor is flush with the slide. definitely no red object jutting out but it works about the same for most guns also.