Revised Ohio CCW Bill may be signed.

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Is dispensing the same as selling?? example resteraunts etc. dispenses alcohol for consumption on the premisis. Where as grocery stores sell alcohol to be consumed else where. Would i be allowed to carry in my local grocery store??
 
So military service counts towards the training requirements? Swe-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-et! Does it count for ALL the training, or just the classroom part, or what?

I cant wait till this is finally in place. Background check ought to be pretty easy, since the sheriff is my boss and I already had some kind of background check just to get a job.

It'd be even better if he decided to waive the fee for employees, but even with having to pay I'm still happy.

And I never thought that I'd be HAPPY to give the .gov money!
 
How is it on other gun laws? I've always liked Cleveland (until recently I had family there, and an uncle and grandmother are buried there), and it does have a decent Orthodox Jewish community there. I may have just added a city to my list of cities I might move to.
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I have experience in Pepper Pike and Shaker Heights (two suburbs of Cleveland for those not familiar with the area). Keep in mind this is about a year old; I should keep better track.

Pepper Pike didn't seem to have any significant restrictions past what the state mandates, but I was never very comfortable after I read their regulations- something about them just seemed vague, but I never heard of anyone having problems (or really of anyone owning more than a hunting piece, except for one step-dad of a friend, who apparently owned an impressive collection of honest-to-God assault rifles; never saw them myself, though).

Shaker Heights is a little more restrictive. From their codified regulations, you have to register yourself and your handgun seperately when you buy one or move to the city (but both can be done at the same time- its just two different forms), and the biggest pain about that is getting the darn things notorized (not to mention going to pick up the forms, drop them off, then going back again to have the cards made). I don't think many people bother though- I was the eigth person that year to have it done, and it was already August (the officer himself doubted many people knew about the law). The officer also said something about magazine restriction, but he may have just been differentiating between pre-ban and post-ban magazines (I don't recall reading anything about magazine restrictions in the codified regulations), since he mentioned it was an ATF thing.

From what I remember when I was considering moving there, Cleveland proper does have a magazine restriction, but I think its 15 for handguns and 30 for semiauto rifles other than .22s. There might be a registration requirement, but I don't recall one offhand.



As to this current law, I'm very happy with it, though I take issue with the car restriction (because it just doesn't make sense) and with the restriction against carrying at an university. As a student at Case Law School, the building next to mine was shot up by some maniac upset about deleted emails last May, and I know a person who was right there (I had been there maybe three hours prior taking my last exam of the semester) that would be carrying if he could. Thus, in addition to being effectively deprived of carrying for most of my time in public, I see a situation where people carrying could have curtailed (if not prevented) a real tragedy.
 
In my hometown of Highland Hts. (east side suburb of Cleveland), it's illegal to have a loaded firearm, even in your own home! I doubt they enforce this but even if they did I'm fairly certain it would get thrown out of court. This will become an even bigger issue after CCW goes into effect.

The actual city of Cleveland also restricts shotgun mag capacity to 6.
 
Sure hope the Governor signs this. RINO Governors, what can you do. Marginally better than Democrats but not much. If this does pass, I doubt they will have reciprocity argeements with the surrounding states. I drove from Kentucky to Philadelphia a few months ago. If I went through West Virginia, I could carry all the way to PA which also has reciprocity with KY. Alas, I had never been to Ohio so I went through to see what it was like. I locked my unloaded gun in the trunk until I got out of there. I'm not nearly as lame as the person who they are requesting HELP for on this board for carrying in Ohio where they don't allow it.

A good site for KY residents and some of the rest out there is
www.Kc3.com

Check it out! No, I am not affiliated with the site.
 
So you have to unconceal your handgun to drive a car or handle the weapon to lock it up? It sorta feels like a Spanish Inquisition. :banghead:

I'm sure glad we have a moron leading our state government and state highway patrol in Ohio!

Edit to add: I'm sure you can keep your concealed handgun in plain view during winter weather while wearing a coat. :rolleyes:
 
Russ they say that all other state permits will be granted here. So i guess alaska and vermont folks are out of luck if they ever come visit.
 
Russ they say that all other state permits will be granted here. So i guess alaska and vermont folks are out of luck if they ever come visit.
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Alaska wouldnt be if they have an Alaska permit. When Alaska went 'no permission needed', they included a permit specifically so that people from Alaska could get it and carry in other states. There was an article about it not too long ago in SGN.
 
Black92LX,

That would be great. Sure hope the Gov signs it. Even if it doesn't grant reciprocity it would be better for Ohioans to get something. Incrementalism in this regard is the right way to go!
 
If I read the bill correctly, you must have been released from Active service with-in the last 6 years to meet the prior military requirement. Your DD-214 should indicate any arms training (the ten shots in Navy boot camp don't count) you had.

I know I am familure with firearms, but more training can't hurt. I just hope the classes don't cost much and includes a lot legal stuff.
 
woo hoooooooooo

is it 30 days or 90-days???

those who have florida permits can start packin in february if it's 30 days!!!!!
 
90 days, and there is no guarentee FL permits will be honored until the Ohio Attorney General says so.

From HB12:

Sec. 109.69. (A)(1) The attorney general shall negotiate and
enter into a reciprocity agreement with any other license-issuing
state under which a license to carry a concealed handgun that is
issued by the other state is recognized in this state if the
attorney general determines that both of the following apply:

(a) The eligibility requirements imposed by that
license-issuing state for that license are substantially
comparable to the eligibility requirements for a license to carry
a concealed handgun issued under section 2923.125 of the Revised
Code.

(b) That license-issuing state recognizes a license to carry
a concealed handgun issued under section 2923.125 of the Revised
Code.

(2) A reciprocity agreement entered into under division
(A)(1) of this section also may provide for the recognition in
this state of a license to carry a concealed handgun issued on a
temporary or emergency basis by the other license-issuing state,
if the eligibility requirements imposed by that license-issuing
state for the temporary or emergency license are substantially
comparable to the eligibility requirements for a license or
temporary emergency license to carry a concealed handgun issued
under section 2923.125 or 2923.1213 of the Revised Code and if
that license-issuing state recognizes a temporary emergency
license to carry a concealed handgun issued under section
2923.1213 of the Revised Code.

(3) The attorney general shall not negotiate any agreement
with any other license-issuing state under which a license to
carry a concealed handgun that is issued by the other state is
recognized in this state other than as provided in divisions
(A)(1) and (2) of this section.

--
Mike
 
Congratulations Ohio!

Still, quite honestly, and with all due respect to the Ohio legislature - the public disclosure and automobile carry provisions are ridiculous.

And not to rain on anybody's parade - but brace yourselves for possible legal challenges.
Don't forget what happened in New Mexico and what is currently going on in my own home state of Missouri.
Your fight may not be over yet either.

But I suppose, when you get right down to it - the fight is NEVER over.
 
From NBC4 Columbus ...

Taft Signs Concealed Handgun Bill
Law Goes Into Effect In 90 Days

POSTED: 4:53 PM EST January 8, 2004
UPDATED: 6:04 PM EST January 8, 2004

COLUMBUS, Ohio -- Gov. Bob Taft signed a bill Thursday to allow Ohioans to carry hidden guns, just one day after lawmakers passed it.

The bill goes into effect 90 days after it is signed by Taft and is filed with the Ohio Secretary of State.

The Senate vote on Wednesday was 25-8, and the House vote was 69-24.

The vote marked the first time the Legislature and the governor's office have agreed to a deal after a decade of debate on the highly contentious issue.

Ohioans who apply for permits to carry concealed weapons would have to pay a fee, undergo background checks and be trained in the use of a weapon.

"The goal of concealed carry legislation is to allow law-abiding citizens to protect themselves and their families when they feel their lives may be in danger," Taft said in a statement. "I have strongly advocated for a bill that includes mandatory training, strict background checks and support from law enforcement groups; and recently, have demanded that the law allow public access to permit holder information so that we can ensure that the right people are getting permits, and that the wrong people aren't."

Some Senate Democrats are angry at the bill's passage and said Taft finally caved in to gain political acceptance from the National Rifle Association, NewsChannel 4's Natalie Walston reported.

"I think it will go down as one of the lowest moments in his career of public service," said Sen. Eric Fingerhut, D-Cleveland.

The bill gained acceptance from law enforcement agencies.

"Finally, every concern of all individuals has been met," said Bob Cornwell of the Buckeye State Sheriff's Association.

Ohioans who apply to carry a concealed weapon will have to give fingerprints, a background check, go through 12 hours of training and three hours of training on a firing range. They also will have to acquire special holsters for smaller guns -- the most popular of which conceal firearms in a belt.

The bill also makes the names of permit holders in each county available to reporters who ask a sheriff's department for the names. Taft's insistence on this provision derailed the bill late last year after House lawmakers balked. But House Speaker Larry Householder this week agreed to go along with the requirement, which the Ohio Senate had already informally agreed to.

"While I would have preferred that the public have full access to the information, I believe that this is a reasonable compromise that will hold the permit system accountable for compliance with the law," Taft said.

The bill's sponsor, Rep. Jim Aslanides of Coshocton, accepted the public records compromise but cautioned reporters Wednesday not to "abuse" the confidentiality of permit-holders.

He said once the law has been in place for a while, adjustments could be made.

Taft had long said he would only sign the bill if law enforcement supported it. As that backing fell into place, he raised the issue of public records, leading some supporters to accuse him of looking for reasons to veto the bill.

The State Highway Patrol dropped its earlier opposition once the bill said weapons in vehicles must be locked away or holstered in plain view.

Ohio would become the 46th state to allow carrying concealed weapons under the bill.

People who want to carry concealed weapons will have to register through their county sheriff's offices.
 
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Yep, they are even doing a fund raiser here in Minnesota to raise money to try and get the permit to carry repealed in our Sheeple state. :rolleyes:
 
Congratulations Ohio!

Still, quite honestly, and with all due respect to the Ohio legislature - the public disclosure and automobile carry provisions are ridiculous.
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Err. yeah. At least they're holding the list to a higher standard than free disclosure. And the automobile requirement...yeah, makes no sense, from the point if view of one looking at the end product. Anyone who is a threat is not going to obey it...kinda like how they already pack heat now, despite CCW being illegal...but, at least its better than nothing. Its a prime example of decision-by-committee.
And not to rain on anybody's parade - but brace yourselves for possible legal challenges.
Don't forget what happened in New Mexico and what is currently going on in my own home state of Missouri.
Your fight may not be over yet either.

But I suppose, when you get right down to it - the fight is NEVER over.
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Yup. The antis are already calling for a referrendum vote in November.

Mike
 
This is very exiciting. It would be even more exciting if I didn't have to wait 3 more years anyway.

Maybe by then it will be a better law though.
 
if i count correctly this will become law April 7th 2004 that is 2 days after my 21st Birthday :neener: Taking no more than 20 days to complete the application process, i should be packing by April 27th.

...and the cleveland Plain Dealer vows to publish all the names of those who apply for permits
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one of the house or senate members, stated that this would be an abuse of privliges and would result in loss of the privalge.
 
My friend gave me an interesting idea concerning car carry. Since I'll be carrying at about 4 or 5 o'clock then the gun won't be in plain sight even with my shirt pulled up. So, how about clipping a holster to the seat belt?

The only problem I see with this is that the gun may now be considered not on your person and this would be the same thing as lying it on the passenger seat which isn't allowed.
 
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