revo or auto for woods carry in winter?

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Having a moment to think about it, the woods aren't the only place to provide this test. In the early '80s I worked as a manager in a "beer drive through" in Cincinnati Ohio.

One winter was so bad that the diluted Vodka on the shelves froze. Going there was not an option as that was my job with children to feed. having been robbed before a Smith 36 went with me with no problems.

Again, what are your experiences?
 
what are my experiences in what regard? what exactly is your question, if you actually have one? or are you just content to ramble about carrying a revolver in an indoor environment in winter which has nothing to do with my original post.
 
"Beer Drive throughs" are a wind tunnel with a garage door on either end. Not an indoor environment, you sir, are far more comfortable sharpshooting someone else than you are in sharing your own experience of which so far, we know nothing.
 
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so you had a revolver in an unheated garage. bravo. i've spent time trapsing the woods of montana, wyoming, upstate new york and vermont. winter camping, snowshoeing, hunting, general woodsbumming (as already mentioned). i don't know exactly what credentials you're looking for but it's becoming a bore, and hijacking my thread.

i'd like to hear what people are carrying while spending time in the snowy woods in sub freezing temps. no right or wrong, just what they choose and why. plain and simple. feel free to move along.
 
The point sir, would be if you feel that semis are superior in cold weather environments and have something to say in that regard. Do you?
 
perhaps you should read my op again. i'm merely asking of other's experiences. i've already stated that i typcally carry my gp100 here in the vt winters.

you obvioulsy prefer revolvers. thanks for your contribution to the thread.
 
I've given you mine and fail to understand;

1. why revolvers were questioned to begin with
2. what your problem with me is if I am just doing what you wanted
 
seriously, go back and read my original post again. i've read of some people preferring autos over revolvers due to their experiences.

it's very clear that you prefer revolvers....are we done?:rolleyes:
 
I've spent considerable time in subzero weather with all kinds of firearms and have yet to have one "freeze up". In fact I've never heard of such a thing occurring. I'd guess the odds of you freezing up are of far greater concern than worrying about a handgun.
 
Revolvers can not "freeze up."

The accurate description is oil inside the revolvers conceals due to the cold thus intervering with the action.

The solution is quite easy. Degrease the gun with brake cleaner or similiar product and leave the action dry. Your revolver will run just fine without oiling.
Or shop around and choose a oil that will not congeal at below zero temperatures.

Detail stripping a "frozen revolver" sounds like internet b.s. to me.

Autos on the other usually require lub on rails and barrel lugs to function reliabely.
 
I Live in VT, and have carried both revolvers and semi-autos from Deer Season through to the end of Bunny Booming in March...

With either in sub-zero temps, I have found the key to be little to no oil...

I have never had a gun 'ice up', but then I don't tend to hunt during ice storms...
 
I have had several guns become inoperative due to cold weather. In some cases it was due to too much or the wrong type of lube. This generally was the result a quick change in temperatures, such as hunting in the pouring rain one day, taking the gun home and oiling it heavily after cleaning for prevention against missed moisture and taking the gun hunting the next day when temps have dropped dramatically or just plain experiencing temps lower than expected and gettin' caught with my pants down. Since I hunt a lot in wet(as in swamps, bogs and marshland) terrain, I tend to keep my guns lubed well. Sometimes the failures are from hunting in rain and having the temps fall dramatically during the hunt without a chance to get the moisture outta the gun before it freezes. Sometimes it comes from taking a gun from a warm house/vehicle to the cold and having condensation occur and then freeze. This usually affects the firing pin and not the action so much. I have learned thru experience, that in cold weather, one is better off leaving the gun outside to remain the same temperature as outside. I one time had a Colt 1911 fill and freeze solid with ice. Again, a situation where weather had been warm and the swamps were not frozen over yet. That day dawned clear and cold. While the water I walked thru(some was knee deep) was still warm, whatever splashed up on my pants or anything else on me froze instantly. The 1911 was on my hip and unbeknown to me was getting splashed regularly.....and yes it was completely covered by a flap type holster. Time I got back to the truck it was a frozen piece of ice....and no amount of pissing on it or sticking it under my shirt would have thawed it out. Even after a 30 minute ride back to home with the gun directly in front of the heat, it was still frozen and inoperable. Two hours later and a detail strip and it was good as new. My hunting conditions/areas are one reason I prefer stainless guns. Never have I had a revolver become inoperable because of the cold......so they get my vote.
 
buck460xvr- thanks for sharing your experiences. the splashing of the 1911 is exactly the type of situation that most people think is a non issue until it happens. although the revolver has more open areas for water to affect in a similar scenario, being more open would also allow it to drain a bit better as well.

one scenario i keep in mind is taking a tumble while snowshoeing the backcountry. i've carried my 1911 in a bianchi m12 flap holster while having this happen and it was protected rather well. this has led me to prefer flap hosters with a closed bottom for this type of work. i've yet to have this happen while carrying my gp100, but again, it's a bit easier to unload and brush, or blow the snow off and unplug the barrel if necessary.
 
I mentioned grizzlies. The OP mentioned Alaska. I should have put my comment on cartridges in a different paragraph, as it is a completely different issue than reliability.

On the other hand, as far as caliber, and autos, you could just get a Desert Eagle if you absolutely had to have an auto....:evil:
 
one scenario i keep in mind is taking a tumble while snowshoeing the backcountry. i've carried my 1911 in a bianchi m12 flap holster while having this happen and it was protected rather well. this has led me to prefer flap hosters with a closed bottom for this type of work. i've yet to have this happen while carrying my gp100, but again, it's a bit easier to unload and brush, or blow the snow off and unplug the barrel if necessary.

I've taken more than one tumble myself when snowshoeing in rough terrain. If the gun is cold and the snow is cold(best for snowshoes) snow brushes right off. I prefer hunting in cold snow as it does not get you wet, and it does not stick. Here in Wisconsin, until last November, one could not carry a loaded handgun while hunting that was completely encased. Some part of the firearm had to be exposed. This led to many scenarios(such as the 1911 story) where a firearm had to be exposed to the harsh elements. Since we are now allowed to CWC, if one has a CCW permit, this is no longer an issue.
 
You did not mention the threat

mauser lover, who mentioned anything about grizzlies? we're talking about a revolver or an auto when carried in the snowy woods.

jeepnik, i've heard of several fellas in alaska that carry a 10mm glock. i'm not talking "alaskans" in general, but as i stated earlier, "some".
The original post left the reason for carrying open to our speculations.

I live in Anchorage. It may not be "Alaska", but you can see it from here. Some Alaskans have drunk the semi-auto kool-aid and jumped on the bandwagon. Some (most, I think) stick with the "heavy bullet" theory, which pretty much rules out carryable semi-autos. 10mm just does not have the throw weight or frontal area of available revolvers (45 Colt, 44 Magnum, 500 S&W, etc)

If my primary threat to be defended against was wolves or people, both prone to multiple attackers, semi-auto. If larger, more solo hunting type creatures like bears, the revolver, a 7.5" 454 Casull is my current choice.

However, bear spray is my primary means of defense. A better track record and less troublesome in the aftermath.

Lost Sheep
 
Gun not particular. Mode of carry more important.

Semi-autos do seem to be more resistant to getting locked up from mud, snow, etc, but the weather would make little difference to my choice. See my earlier post.

Winter or Summer, I would choose a mode of carry that protected the gun from failure.

A chest holster would keep the gun very close to my jacket's zipper and well protected, just inside the jacket. A full flap holster would do fairly well if I chose to carry the gun outside my clothes.

For an expedient solution, a paper bag secured with a string would give pretty good protection. I could rip the bag quickly if I needed the gun.

Lost Sheep
 
I often carry a Colt Woodsman in the woods -- and that's an automatic. But otherwise I carry my Colt New Service or my Ruger Blackhawk in .45 Colt.

Having been too close to things like RPG-7 rounds and AT-3 Antitank mines, as well as lots and lots of small arms fire, I treasure what hearing I still have, and do not shoot the .357 without earplugs and muffs -- which rules out the .357 as a woods gun.
 
A revolver simply has more things that can go wrong, more places for outdoor grit, mud, sand, snow, ice or whatever to enter the gun. Most of the moving parts are exposed where they can be damaged. Many more small complex parts with close tolerences to fowl up.

A quality semi has almost all vital parts enclosed. In the rare event you do have a problem with a semi, it is quicky corrected in the field, often in seconds, and with no tools. When a revolver goes down on you it is out until it can be disassembled and repaired with tools not typically carried in the field.

Every military on the planet has been testing this theory for well over 100 years and revolvers don't even come close when used in harsh, dirty outdoor conditions.
 
jmr40, you bring up some interesting points concerning succeptability to the elements, which falls in line with the things i've read of some people going the way of thw auto.

as lost sheep has pointed out, where larger threats are a possiblity, most autos simply don't have the punch required. and most fall back to (or remain content with) a hunting type revolver with a caliber that begins in .4.

and mode of carry is indeed important.
 
Every military on the planet has been testing this theory for well over 100 years and revolvers don't even come close when used in harsh, dirty outdoor conditions.
Remember, too that the G.I. 45 Auto was notoriously inaccurate, but for good reason. Generous clearances contribute to reliability with the unintended consequence of large groups. But you could drop one in mud or sand, run over it with a jeep, pick it up, shake it out and shoot it. The same guns, tightened and tuned for bullseye competition might start to jam if you didn't clean it that morning.

Service 45s ALWAYS rattled loudly if you shook them. Pick up a tuned race gun and shake it. Very quiet by comparison.

I believe most current-manufacture service semi-automatics are manufactured with the criteria of reliability a little higher than accuracy.

Lost Sheep
 
When a revolver goes down on you it is out until it can be disassembled and repaired with tools not typically carried in the field.
Ruger double-action revolvers can be stripped down almost to the barrel and frame with only a cartridge case rim (substitute for a screwdriver) and parts found inside the gun.

It does take significantly longer than field stripping most all semi-autos, though.

I just thought I would point out the exception to your (generally true) observation.

Can you tell I am a Ruger fan?

Lost Sheep
 
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