Revolver cylinder direction...

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I no longer own a revolver, but I have in the past.

I've always wondered; why don't all models' cylinders turn the same way when firing?

You'd think it would be an industry standard. Even back in the day...
 
Why would it be industry standard when it makes no difference and parts don't interchange between manufacturers Let Smith be Smith.
 
I guess I was thinking of training standardization, like which side to only load that last round or two and still have it come up under then hammer immediately, etc.
 
I'm not convinced that loading 5 in a cylinder is something that was done all that much "back in the day" . Those guys werent all that safety conscious and setting the hammer down between cylinders on fixed pin guns was more common than modern range Nazis would have you believe. They called them six shooters for a reason.
 
You would have to delve deep into revolver inventions, history, designs, and patents dating back to the late 1800's.

Smith & Wesson finally settled on a side plate on the right side to install the working parts.

And Colt went with the side plate on the other side.

Colt claimed their cylinder lock-up was tighter.
And S&W claimed their slightly looser cylinder lock-up allowed better chamber alignment as the bullet exited the chamber and entered the barrel.

Who was right?

Who knows?
But S&W still makes a lot of revolvers.
And Colt doesn't make any.

rc
 
Yeah, I suspect that's right about the "hammer down on an empty chamber" thing. Rather, I think that anyone in that day and area (old West) who was serious about his business and situation wanted that extra round...

Don't some old designs have hammer rest notches between the cylinders on cap/ball revolvers?
 
and setting the hammer down between cylinders on fixed pin guns
Sounds good in theory.
But it won't work in practice.

Using a Colt SAA .45 for example.
There isn't room between the case rims to lower the hammer between them and keep it there.

In fact, the cylinder can easily be rotated to the next locking bolt notch, and strike or drag across the next primer.

The day of setting the hammer between chambers as a safety measure ended with the last cap & ball revolver Colt made.

And some of those old six shooter cowboys weren't called 'Gimpy' for no reason.

rc
 
"Gimpy"

LOL not often I laugh out loud sitting by myself...


Back in the day I had a Colt 6" King Cobra and earlier a S&W 4" Model 10 (bull barrel). Seems like those two rotated opposite directions.

The S&W was 80's production and I only sold it to pay for finishing college.

The King Cobra was definitly in need of break-in and the latching of the crane was a bit rough. And some parts didn't really "seam up" like I thought a Colt should. Bought it new in 1994. Maybe that's why.
 
Yeah. Smiths go backwards or everyone elses guns do depending on perspective. For a lot of double action ( not all ) or transfer bar guns it doesnt matter that you carry a full cylinder.
 
All Colts rotate right, and all modern S&W's rotate left.

It dates clear back to when early revolvers were designed and progressed into modern guns.
And there is nothing you can do about it 150 years later.

Except remember which way they do it when you pick one up.

Same with cylinder latches.
Colts pull back, S&W's push forward, and Rugers push in.

It's really not that hard to remember really.
Or I couldn't do it!

rc
 
I refer to that doohickey that turns the cylinder as the hand.

Smiths and DA Rugers are right handed and the Colts, such as the Python,
are left handed.

I'm left handed but shoot Smiths and Rugers.

I'm very confused. :confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:
 
That's what you get for living in Forsyth CO.!! Lol!! ( 'course, we're glad yer back home!)

I think with the early .45 rounds, the case heads were smaller diameter and would in fact allow the firing pin to rest between two.

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I think with the early .45 rounds, the case heads were smaller diameter and would in fact allow the firing pin to rest between two.

Howdy

That is incorrect. I have tried it. Although the rims on early 45 Colt rounds were slightly smaller in diameter than modern rounds, you still cannot rest the firing pin between the rims with any assurance that the cylinder will stay in that position. It does not take much rotational force for the bevel on the firing pin to ride up over the rims, even with smaller rimmed old 45 Colt cartridges.
 
I'm not convinced that loading 5 in a cylinder is something that was done all that much "back in the day" . Those guys werent all that safety conscious and setting the hammer down between cylinders on fixed pin guns was more common than modern range Nazis would have you believe. They called them six shooters for a reason.


In Wyatt Earp's autobiography he specifically spoke of only loading 5 in a sixgun. He said only a green tenderfoot would load six. He also said that when he was going out into the street into trouble he took the time to load that sixth round.
 
All Colts rotate right, except the New Army, Navy, and Marine .38s, 1882-1892 and all modern S&W's since the Hand Ejectors came out rotate left. Except the weird little Bodyguard snubby

Fixed that. Largely academic and concerning antiques except for the oddball Bodyguard, but it just goes to show that nothing is certain.
 
You'd think it would be an industry standard. Even back in the day...

Howdy

Just what does 'back in the day' mean? That phrase gets used a lot, but it is meaningless. Are you talking about 1860? 1900? 1950?

Revolvers were first developed before the Civil War, Sam Colt built his Paterson Colt in 1836. There was no such thing as Industry Standards back then. Even as late as World War II there were problems with interchangeability of screw threads between British and American standards, when tanks were breaking down and replacement nuts did not fit.

But I digress.

The major makers of percussion revolvers around the time of the Civil War all made revolvers with cylinders that rotated clockwise when viewed from the rear. A popular myth has sprung up around this claiming it is because Sam Colt was left handed. The real reason is that the majority of people are right handed, and it is easier to put caps on the nipples of a revolver using the right hand for the fine motor skills required when capping a C&B revolver. If the cylinder rotated the opposite direction, most of us would be fumbling with our left hands trying to cap the nipples.

The Colt Single Action Army was simply an evolutionary step forward from the earlier Colt C&B designs. Much of the internal mechanism was very similar, so the cylinder continued to rotate clockwise. And it was still easier to load cartridges with the right hand than the left. Same with the cartridge revolvers manufactured by Remington.

When Double Action revolvers became practical, most of them had a design very different than the old Single Action Revolvers. Most had a side plate, and the mechanism was inside the frame under the side plate. To assemble these revolvers, you had to lay the parts inside in a specific order, and that dictated which way the cylinder rotated.

Here is a photo of a Smith & Wesson 44 Double Action, a large 44 caliber Top Break revolver from the 1880s. The side plate has been removed to show the internal mechanism. The arrow points to the hand. The position of the hand dictates that this cylinder rotates clockwise when viewed from the rear.

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This is the very first revolver that S&W made with a swing out cylinder, the 32 Hand Ejector, 1st Model, first made in 1896. Notice the side plate has been switched to the right side of the gun. This cylinder rotates counter clockwise when viewed from the rear. Why did S&W reverse sides for the side plate? I have no idea, but that is the way every S&W revolver has been made ever since.

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Here is a photo comparing the lockworks of a S&W 38 Military and Police on the left and a Colt Official Police on the right. (I have removed the hammer block in the Smith for clarity). Notice the way the hands lay on top of everything else in both revolvers. You could not assemble a lockwork like this if the hands were on the bottom. The position of the hands dictates which way the cylinders rotate; counter clockwise with the Smith, clockwise with the Colt.

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That is simply the way the designs evolved. End of story. When I was a kid I remember all the ridiculous arguments about which was better, the Colt rotating into the frame or the Smith rotating away from the frame. Colt fans would say the Smith needed the extra latch at the front of the ejector rod to keep the mechanism from opening up.

It was all baloney. The designs simply evolved the way they did, and the marketing departments of both companies used to tout these so called attributes of their designs. But it was all baloney, and the argument still goes on today.

For the record, I have never encountered a S&W revolver whose cylinder was so resistant to rotating that the yoke would be forced open when working the action. If such a thing occurred, there was probably some old, dried out oil gunking up the works inside.
 
Colt vs S&W (Winchester vs Marlin, etc) differences ...

Do not entirely dismiss the possibility of raw competitive contrariness for some of these differences.

There is certainly evidence suggesting such existed "back in the day" ... ;)

... e.g., many have wondered over the many years if the reason that Colt eschewed adding an additional lockup point was because S&W introduced it first.
 
Driftwood, your photos and your ability to explain these mechanical intricacies are a treasure. Thanks for taking your time to educate us. Your discussion above raises a question in my mind, however. And it may be one for a different thread. Why do I hear that there are so few smiths who can work on a Colt nowadays, if we're just looking at basic mechanical workings? I understand that the parts may be scarce, but is there something unique about a Colt that makes it harder to work on than a Smith or a Ruger?
 
"Driftwood, your photos and your ability to explain these mechanical intricacies are a treasure."

I second that motion!
 
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