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My father had bought a .223 Remington ADL last night and wants to install a scope. What would be a good scope for this gun that's reasonably priced, good quality but not overly expensive? Also, he's asking what is the range of the gun? How far can the .223 shoot accurately - anyone know?
 
Wow, a lot of questions there. I don't know what "accurate" means to you, but that Remington should shoot into an inch at 100 yards with good ammunition. For varmint hunting, I consider the .223 a 200-250 yard rifle and that might be stretching it a bit. The problem is not accuracy, but energy loss for the small bullet at over that.

Absolute maximum range, with an elevation of 30 degrees, is between 1.5 and 2 miles, depending on the bullet used.

As to scopes, there are dozens of makers and hundreds of models of scopes, ranging in price from $60 to $2000. For varmint hunting, I would go with at least a 6 power, and some folks will opt for 8 or 10 power. (You can't hit what you can't see, and small animals are hard to see at 200+ yards with a low power scope.)

Some common brands that have a full line that you might want to look at are Burris (pricey), Bushnell (more moderate), Leupold (also pricey), Simmons (fairly high), Weaver (moderate) and Tasco (low priced, decent quality). If the rifle is to be used solely for varmint hunting, I would go with a higher power scope and avoid a variable. If it is to do double duty on both small and medium game, the variable power would be a good choice.

I suggest visiting a well stocked gun shop and looking at the scopes on offer and also at mounts. There are many kinds of mounts, but it is pretty hard to beat the plain old Weaver mounting system.

FWIW, I would also inquire about used scopes, where there are often real bargains. The fact is that used rifles sell well, but most buyers will pay little extra for a scope, so many dealers take them off and sell them separately. That is puzzling, since a rifle can be shot out, but no one ever wore out a scope by looking through it, and any mechanical damage is usually apparent.

Jim
 
My father and I don't hunt so I know it's just for the range. He wants to work on accuracy and be able to hit the target from 75 feet away.
 
75 feet ??:confused: The factory open sights should be more than adequate for that distance.

If you mean 75 yards (or more) than a scope in the $100-150 range should provide you with adequate optics to shoot good groups. If this is target shooting only and you eventually decide to shoot at distances further out, you can use a variable-power scope in the 3-9 to 4-12 range with a 40mm objective. Look at Tasco, Bushnell, or Simmons for decent scopes. The Busnell Banner in 4-12x40 with an adjustable objective (AO) is a decent target scope that is less than $90 at Midway. Get a good set of rings like the Burris Signature Zee rings and the appropriate Weaver-style base for the ADL.
 
Yes, you're right :eek: 75 yards.... my father's eyes aren't that good and frankly, neither are mine at that distance. I suspected it'd be in the $60-$100 range for a good scope.
 
I've got a Tasco 3x9x40 "World Class" on my .223 Savage, costed me all about $120, including mount and rings. No, it's not very clear, especially compared to the $500-something Leupold on my .308, but the adjustments are decently repeatable for the price and it'll shoot pretty good at 100 yards. When starting out, I wouldn't be quick to overspend yourself on optics; that's not to say that you shouldn't buy the best you can get, but whatever you save on a scope for now can be put towards ammo, targets, and trigger time.

My Tasco's okay, I've got a Bushnell 4x12x50 Banner on a 7mm RemMag that has decent clarity, I think I paid $130 for it at Wal-Mart. My .308 has a Leupold 3.5x10x40 VXIII on it, which I wholeheartedly love. The optics are bright and clear, it tracks very well, the clicks could stand to be a little more firm, but that's a minor gripe. On a .223, I don't really think you'd need anything over 10x or so. Fixed power scopes usually have brighter optics and less moving parts, which may make them more reliable, but shooting off a bench with a .223 isn't really gonna try the durability of a scope like dragging it through the field or shooting a big magnum would.

Edited to add: Range? Well...it depends. Practically speaking, with a 1:12 twist barrel like your pop's Remington probably has and the ammo you'll be able to shoot through it, maybe 4-500 yards on a dead calm day. The .223 has gone 1000 yards, but it takes special (90 gr) bullets, a really fast twist barrel, a darn good shooter and all the planets to align properly to get there.
 
What would be a good scope for this gun that's reasonably priced, good quality but not overly expensive? Also, he's asking what is the range of the gun? How far can the .223 shoot accurately

I've had good results with a Simmons 3-9x40 (wide angle, I think, came with the .223 rifle as it was sold used). I'm thinking you can get one of those for $50-75, but that was a few years back and I haven't seen one in a while to know the going price now. At any rate, it gives a good clear picture.

What is the twist rate in your father's rifle's barrel? This will have an effect on what ammo you can use accurately to what distance, if at all. For example, I've seen a M77 Ruger with a 1:12 twist barrel group tight with handloaded Hornady 55grSP running about 2700fps. That same rifle keyholed at 50yds with 68gr BTHPs running 2600fps (the latter loading requiring a 1:9 or tighter twist).

For effective range of .223/5.56mm ammo in general, the USMC shoots their M16s out to 500meters. I'm not sure the MOA (minute of angle) for a given rifle/load combination and would hate to speculate in this case, but if it gets .5" @ 50yds, that's 1MOA which will expand to 1" @ 100yds, and 2" @ 200yds. And the gun may well be capable of that, but you'll have to try several brands of ammo and several bullet weights ranging from 55gr to 72gr and see what works best. But, any bullet over 62gr and you'll need a 1:10 twist rate or faster to even bother.

Oh, and 300yds isn't a stretch for accuracy, but I've heard from some vets that .223/5.56 loses a lot of its killing power past 125yds.
 
A scoped Remington ADL at 75yards? Assuming all is right with the rig and your using quality ammo you should be able to shoot groups on a quarter.
 
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