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Rifle to pistol conversions

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by X9ballX, Oct 24, 2013.

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  1. X9ballX

    X9ballX Member

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    Wasn't sure if this was to go into pistols or rifles section. Mods please move accordingly.

    I seen plenty of Ar15s set up as pistols under legal definition. I know that you may buy receivers that are set up as pistols in paperwork, even though there is no physical difference.

    I also know putting stocks on handguns automatically makes it a short barreled rifle. Not legal without proper paperwork.

    So what about rifle to pistol? I seen an m1carbine by iver johnson known as the enforcer. It was set up as a pistol from the start. But lets say somone wanted to build a similar setup on a mini 14 or rebuild a m1carbine as an enforcer?

    I have also seen a mosin nagant turned into a pistol.

    So how is this legally done?
     
  2. Sam1911

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    Hi!

    We've just been discussing this in a few threads -- I'll dig up the links for you in a moment.

    The ATF says if it starts out as a rifle, it IS a rifle. Therefore (matching the wording of the 1934 National Firearms Act) if you make it into a firearm with less than a 16" barrel, or with an overall length of less than 26", you're making an NFA Title II-regulated weapon. What most call a Short Barreled Rifle. (Technically a "firearm made from a rifle.") You'd have to file a Form 1 to "make and register" a Title II firearm first.

    The ATF says that if you have a pistol you can build it into a rifle and then back again, and so forth at will.

    If you buy an "other firearm" (e.g. -- a bare receiver or stock-less firearm longer than 26") you can build it into a pistol and then a rifle, etc.

    There are problems with the ATF's claims here, but that's the jist of it.
     
  3. Skylerbone

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    There are some odd exceptions to the above however like the U22 Neos Carbine Conversion that turns a pistol into a rifle with a buttstock and 16 1/4" barrel with no paperwork required.
     
  4. Sam1911

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    Well, that's swapping a pistol into a rifle. There is no problem with that, and never was. (Up until a couple of years ago the ATF did maintain that you could not swap BACK once you'd made a rifle out of it, but that's since changed.)

    Kit guns sold as both (like the T/C kits which started the whole court case back in the '90s) can be swapped at will.
     
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    No problems after the matter was defined, perhaps I mistakenly believed it was not permissible before, but the OP said this:

     
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    The question I had is what if someone wanted to turn a rifle into a pistol.
     
  7. Sam1911

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    Right. So in post 2 I said:

    "The ATF says if it starts out as a rifle, it IS a rifle. Therefore (matching the wording of the 1934 National Firearms Act) if you make it into a firearm with less than a 16" barrel, or with an overall length of less than 26", you're making an NFA Title II-regulated weapon. What most call a Short Barreled Rifle. (Technically a "firearm made from a rifle.") You'd have to file a Form 1 to "make and register" a Title II firearm first."
     
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    One has to be careful, even with the kits,,,

    One has to be careful, even with the kits,,,
    My Beretta NEOS Carbine Kit came with a warning label.

    It cautioned the owner to never have the pistol barrel on the receiver,,,
    When attaching the rifle stock to the serial numbered frame,,,
    Like emptying/clearing a semi-automatic pistol,,,
    There is a definite order to the steps.

    Remove the barrel first,,,
    Change to the desired stock,,,
    Then reattach the appropriate length barrel.

    I solved that problem by purchasing a second NEOS pistol,,,
    It got permanently converted to the carbine,,,
    I then sold the pistol barrel/stock.

    Aarond

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