Road Rager shoots at motorcyclist - Triple digit Chase

[Exposure]

Two years ago, the wife and I were headed home from the Tanner gun show on I-25. We were cruisin', 110, 115, somewhere in there. This in a Subaru wagon swung to the left lane doing maybe 40. Was all I could do not to hit her. Once I had the bike under control, I got about 6" off her bumper, thumped the back glass with my fist and gave her the bird in no uncertain terms before rocketing past her.

If this story is true then you shouldn't be carrying. Apparently controlling your temper and making rational decisions aren't your strong points. Bad traits to have when carrying a gun.

Why were you travelling at triple digit speeds with a passenger on a public road? Why would you get 6" off her bumper and show her what a bad dude you are? Suppose she brake checked you and sent you and your wife spilling onto the interstate in front of oncoming traffic, you would have shown her huh? The person who got you in that situation was YOU by travelling at ridiculous speed among automotive traffic.

I have been a rider for the past 16 years, nearly every day I see people do stupid things, and it's not always the cagers doing the stupid stuff. I see a lot of bikers being just as stupid and agressive as the car drivers.


To fasternyou929-

Good luck, glad you are alright. Hope they put the guy away for a long time.

 

[DRZinn]

who has the moral, ethical, or legal right to be cruising over 100 MPH on the highway???

)Well, it ain't legal most places, but as for the moral and ethical part, how's this: anyone who can control their car at that speed.

 

[MachIVshooter]

Maybe the bint driving the Subaru did not see you, but you could not have failed to see her based on your description of the encounter.

Speed limit: 75

Avg. speed of traffic: 85-90, speeds of 100+ not uncommon. I had cars behind me nearly keeping up.

condition: other vehicles in center lanes, left lane visibily clear for 1/2 mile +/-

Subaru driver: cut off van in lane to the right before sweeping into left lane. I saw his brakelights about .2 seconds before she came into our lane. She didn't make a lane change. She swept multiple lanes. Vehicles that had been several car lengths behind were now on my bumper, trying not to cause a pile-up. If I'd been in a car, I'd have hit her.

If this story is true then you shouldn't be carrying. Apparently controlling your temper and making rational decisions aren't your strong points

This was two years ago, before I had a CCW. Yes, it makes you think twice when you carry and I wouldn't do it today. On that note, did you somehow interpret what I wrote to include my having violent intentions toward her? If I had wanted to start a fight, I'd have cratered her door panel as I went by. I was shaken up and PO'd, but a long way from wanting to hurt someone.

 

[Bergerboy]

Holy cow! Glad it ended up OK!

:starts planning open-carry tank rig for bike... :

 

[Vern Smalley]

Road Rager shoots at motorcyclist

Is it possible that since a bike's speedometer cable works off the front wheel that the flat tire somehow made the speedometer reading inaccurate? Wouldn't the speedometer needle be a blur with all that vibration?

Just wondering.

Anyway, I'll try to be a "small" target when out on my Honda. (Max speed 45 mph).

 

[c_yeager]

A cbr929rr is sport bike and far, far more powerful than something like a harley or some such that the others may be commenting on. Keeping the bike upright at those speeds with a flat tire may be harder to believe, but who knows, I've never tried it and I'll take his word for it. The bikes do get more stable as speed increases. He says hit those speeds to get away from the shooter.

The author stated that he actually excellerated from a near stop to 150mph with a completely deflated front tire and a passenger.

He goes on to state that the driver was keeping up with him in a HONDA ACCORD OR CIVIC up to speeds in excess of 120MPH. That is complete and utter crap.

With any bike its going to be hard to accelerate to 150 with a passenger and dragging a flattened front tire, I wont say it's impossible, but it is brushing up against it.

I think that he did get shot at, but that he is exaggerating the speeds involved.

 

[fasternyou929]

cassandrasdaddy

Apology absolutely accepted, thank you. About the guys history... he has no priors, that's part of what makes this case difficult. Unfortunately that's how our justice system works.

lol, I'd gladly buy you some lotto tickets but I feel I should warn you that I believe I used up all my good luck that night!

 

[fasternyou929]

Evil_Ed, psyopspec, gunsmith, cetee, exposure and sig245

Thank you for the support also. Turns out the case was continued again this morning... now set for some time in December, I believe. I've been told that it's definitely going to trial then. When that date comes, I'll certainly post developments here for those interested.

 

[fasternyou929]

Vern Smalley and c_yeager

The speedometer on a 929 works off the gearbox, not the front tire, so the blown front didn't have any affect on its reading. It's also a large digital readout, not analog, so it was still clear (and sobering) to read, albeit shaky. On decelleration, I would imagine it was impossible to read, but I obviously was paying attention to other matters then.

c_yeager: I don't understand what I would benefit from exaggerating the speeds, and you're misunderstanding some of what I said. I wasn't completely stopped when he started shooting, but we were at low speed. The car wasn't still next to me at 120 either, but it was obvious he was going well faster than everyone else behind me.

I well aware I'm brushing up against the impossible with what I'm saying, which should make you understand even more that I'm as grateful as I am that my (now) fiancee and I are still alive, much less not physically mamed.

As I said before, if you choose not to believe part of what I'm saying or dismiss all of it, that's up to you. I realize I'm nothing more than a screenname to anybody that hasn't met me, so I start out lacking credibility. Such is life. The person who's opinion matters to me most knows what happened that night.

 

[Inline_6]

Thank you for the support also. Turns out the case was continued again this morning... now set for some time in December, I believe. I've been told that it's definitely going to trial then. When that date comes, I'll certainly post developments here for those interested.

That's crap! I can't stand it when lawyers and judges play that game.

 

[Thylacine]

When I was stationed in Italy, the wife and I were on my Kaw 750. I had a front go flat on the Autostrada. With both of us on the bike, it was not as bad as I had feared. Maneuvering was a real pain, but keeping a straight line was barely OK. I have had rear tires let go before, never with a passenger, and they were much more troublesome.

Just for what it is worth.

 

[Vern Smalley]

Fasternyou929:

You have my sympathies. It's not fun being the target. And for what it's worth, I believe you. It's really tough when you tell the truth and people call you a liar. But that's just human nature when people use pseuds. I've been in that corner, and it's frustrating as all - - - - !

Vern Smalley

 

[c_yeager]

I wasn't completely stopped when he started shooting, but we were at low speed. The car wasn't still next to me at 120 either, but it was obvious he was going well faster than everyone else behind me.

You stated in your original post that you were *behind* the Honda at 110-120. You also state that you both came to a complete stop and had a conversation before you were passed him from that stop and he started shooting.

Follwed him at about 110-120 mph until my buddy finally hauls ass and leaves him way behind. His focus is back on me and he starts brake checking me. I refuse to pass and we eventually come to a complete stop in the middle of 595.

He's taunting me asking "you think you can make it by me?" I keep telling him I know I can and he just needs to be on his way so we can all go home.

He starts threatening to kick my ass --

Finally decide just to ride by and be done with the drama -- I'll outrun him if necessary. As I ride past him, he turns into me again and then I hear "pop, pop".

Noon is calling you a liar, but I for one, am trying to figure out exactly how this happened, and the details do count. It almost seems that you are having a hard time reconciling your original story as well.

Out of curiosity, what is the average speedo error on a 929?

 

[fasternyou929]

My fault, I've been focusing on the speeds after I was shot at, but you're right that I followed him at 110-120 prior to that. I got close enough to get a plate number, then dropped back 1/4-1/2 mile just so I could be there if my friend crashed and needed me. Don't see what's so hard to believe about an Accord reaching those speeds over a stretch of interstate.

No problems reconciling here, just not used to people questioning the speeds at that point. The speedo error on any motorcycle in that range is typically around 10%. I saw high 160's indicated at one point, so I tell the story as 150+.

 

[Sleeping Dog]

just not used to people questioning the speeds at that point

Get used to it. The guy's attorney is going to question everything endlessly just to try to rattle you.

I only had one flat, blew a front on a BMW hitting a pothole (attention lapse, didn't see it). I managed to stop without dumping it, but what a pain, wobbled like crazy. I'm glad I didn't have any reason to drive fast after that, just had to fix the flat (and reshape the rim with a big hammer).

Good luck in court.

 

[c_yeager]

No problems reconciling here, just not used to people questioning the speeds at that point.

Remember that your posting this on a board that is focused primarily on firearms and tactics, not a motorcycle enthusiast board, and the people here are going to be interested in being picky over details. If I found your thread over on cycleforums (where I am a member) I wouldnt have asked such pointed question. Noone is calling you a liar, just trying to get into the meat of what happened.

 

[NCBUSA]

929

Wow, Just read the story. Crazy cager. I hope he gets lots of time to get aquainted with "bubba" in the joint.

Please post a follow up when you know more.

All in all, I think you handled youself pretty well. I also agree with earlier posters, get a CCW.

If you would have been armed. When you came to a stop behind the car you could have just stayed put. If he tried any crap, ie reversing his car to get closer, you would have had more options. IMHO.

Chris

 

[fasternyou929]

Updated, as promised:

The verdict came back: not guilty. They cobbled together a story last night and the jury bought it.

They claimed the gun I saw in his had during our verbal exchange was a camera. It was manufactured in 2006, 2 years after the incident, but the State's Attorney let that slip to the defense attorney before there was testimony on it, so that was tossed before the jury was back in the room.

He testified that he pulled to the shoulder of the road to get his cell phone out of the trunk to call the police and that I came up and parked behind him. He then got in his car to call the police, I walked up to the window and punched him, then pulled a gun on him. Then, before I could get a shot off, he got his gun out of the glove box, shot the tire out on my bike so he could escape, and took off all without a single shot striking him or his car. Nevermind the fact that I've never owned a gun.

The judge, defense, prosecution, even the defendant were expecting a guilty verdict. But there was one old man on the jury that said he sympathized with the defendant and thought "he suffered enough already". I guess we didn't and don't matter. He made up his mind from the beginning and didn't weigh the facts.... and all it takes is one.

It's like being the victims all over again.

 

[evil_brother]

I read that while thing and that sucks big time. i dont think I would have been able to take that as well as you did, id probably be seeking revenge or something but some are better than others at restraining themselves. Best of luck to ya, hope you own a firearm now, and God Bless.

 

[damien]

So, did you get a CCW yet?

 

[phaed]

i don't believe any of this horse crap

 

[eltorrente]

On that note, did you somehow interpret what I wrote to include my having violent intentions toward her? If I had wanted to start a fight, I'd have cratered her door panel as I went by. I was shaken up and PO'd, but a long way from wanting to hurt someone.

You had a road rage incident, and it could have spiraled out of control. She could have gotten pissed when you were tail gating and hit the brakes, or swerved into you when you passed. She could have floored it and chased you down the highway and caused an accident or something.

You did this with your wife on the back of the bike?