racenutz
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Shoot the thing!!!
Look at it this way, in 25 years is anyone going to even remember what a Rohrbaugh R9 even is?
Look at it this way, in 25 years is anyone going to even remember what a Rohrbaugh R9 even is?
Rohrbaugh R9-s: "To Shoot Or Not To Shoot. That Is The Question."
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I think you're making a mountain out of a mole-hill with that thing. (No offense intended.)
I don't know if you've fired many guns or not, but you can't look at a gun and "just know it will be reliable". You have no idea if it will be or not until you fire it a lot. You have no idea if the frame will crack after 250 rounds or not. You don't know if the mags will stay together. You don't know if the grip screws will stay in. You don't know if the firing pin will break. You don't know if the extractor will break or work. Will the slide rails separate? Will the trigger ALWAYS reset? Will the sear wear quickly? Is the heat treat correct? Will pins walk out? Will the grips crack? There are a hundred possibilities. ESPECIALLY with an early production sample from a new manufacturer.
I can appreciate being excited about a new gun and it might be a fine gun and work every time - I don't know, but good grief, it's just a gun. (And it's certainly no .45 Luger.)
I don't know if you've fired many guns or not, but you can't look at a gun and "just know it will be reliable". You have no idea if it will be or not until you fire it a lot. You have no idea if the frame will crack after 250 rounds or not. You don't know if the mags will stay together. You don't know if the grip screws will stay in. You don't know if the firing pin will break. You don't know if the extractor will break or work. Will the slide rails separate? Will the trigger ALWAYS reset? Will the sear wear quickly? Is the heat treat correct? Will pins walk out? Will the grips crack? There are a hundred possibilities. ESPECIALLY with an early production sample from a new manufacturer.
I can appreciate being excited about a new gun and it might be a fine gun and work every time - I don't know, but good grief, it's just a gun. (And it's certainly no .45 Luger.)
Richard
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I only have one "Safe Queen" a Taurus PT57 in 32acp. There are 10 or fewer in the USA. Other than this, I shoot my handguns but I had to vote for making you pistol a Safe Queen. I am sure its value is going nowhere but up. Regards, Richard
Sean Smith
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Well, if you want to keep it as a collectable, then don't shoot it.
If you are going to actually use it as a practical weapon, shoot it.
The two reasons for owning the gun aren't compatible, by the way. Pick one and act accordingly. Treating one like the other is deeply unwise:
1. Shooting a potential collectable will reduce its value, maybe drastically. Carrying it may be worse, since you have to factor in holster wear and day-to-day dings that will ugly up the cosmetics & make the value drop accordingly.
2. Not shooting a practical weapon will put your life in jeopardy, since you will have no idea if it works in real life.
That is actually, no offense intended, a stunningly weak basis for assuming the weapon will actually function when fired.
If you are going to actually use it as a practical weapon, shoot it.
The two reasons for owning the gun aren't compatible, by the way. Pick one and act accordingly. Treating one like the other is deeply unwise:
1. Shooting a potential collectable will reduce its value, maybe drastically. Carrying it may be worse, since you have to factor in holster wear and day-to-day dings that will ugly up the cosmetics & make the value drop accordingly.
2. Not shooting a practical weapon will put your life in jeopardy, since you will have no idea if it works in real life.
That is actually, no offense intended, a stunningly weak basis for assuming the weapon will actually function when fired.
Mr Jody Hudson
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Hi Blackhawk,
I DO understand how your exceedingly close inspection and your awareness of things mechanical can allow you to make the decisions you make.
As I have read your posts I am intrigued about your professional work and your formal/informal education. I enjoy your insights and it is YOU ALONE that has caused me to decide to activate my purchase of the Rohrbaugh and perhaps a second and third one as well. Email or PM me if you will.
I can in fact see where your close inspection of the R9-S can be a more valid indication of it working than the inspection of a cartridge before loading it into your gun. Obviously you can see all the little parts inside the gun and how they work. There is no way we can easily inspect the inside of our cartridges, primer condition, powder condition and amount, crimping pressures, etc. - before we load them in preparation of firing. An excellent analogy you give.
I DO understand how your exceedingly close inspection and your awareness of things mechanical can allow you to make the decisions you make.
As I have read your posts I am intrigued about your professional work and your formal/informal education. I enjoy your insights and it is YOU ALONE that has caused me to decide to activate my purchase of the Rohrbaugh and perhaps a second and third one as well. Email or PM me if you will.
I can in fact see where your close inspection of the R9-S can be a more valid indication of it working than the inspection of a cartridge before loading it into your gun. Obviously you can see all the little parts inside the gun and how they work. There is no way we can easily inspect the inside of our cartridges, primer condition, powder condition and amount, crimping pressures, etc. - before we load them in preparation of firing. An excellent analogy you give.
Jody,
That's nice of you to say!
You'll enjoy your R9 tremendously, even more so than I have so far since I haven't made it to the range yet.
As for giving out personal information, that would change the dynamic of these forums that I enjoy so much. Opinions should stand on their own, and if they're provocative, so much the better since that's how we learn!
That's nice of you to say!
You'll enjoy your R9 tremendously, even more so than I have so far since I haven't made it to the range yet.
As for giving out personal information, that would change the dynamic of these forums that I enjoy so much. Opinions should stand on their own, and if they're provocative, so much the better since that's how we learn!
Sven
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Blackhawk:
I wouldn't shoot it. I'd put it away - and more importantly, I'd use a tested piece for carry.
If you are interested in the piece as a collectors item, seems to me you are considering selling it within your lifetime. Otherwise, what's the point? If you do not see yourself selling it within your lifetime, I don't really understad your "unfired" collector's fetish, unless you see this as some sort of family legacy you are creating.
Even then, keep in mind that despite your best intentions.... when you are dead and gone, your great-grandchild may sell it despite the promise you made 100 years before about the curse that would fall on anyone selling the gun.
Other options: donate it to a museum?
I bet there are lower serial numbered Rohrbaughs being carried by employees at Rohrbaugh that will eventually end up on the market... not trying to discredit your 'score', just food for thought.
What would the first Glock 17 delivered to the public fetch in an auction today? $10K?
I wouldn't shoot it. I'd put it away - and more importantly, I'd use a tested piece for carry.
If you are interested in the piece as a collectors item, seems to me you are considering selling it within your lifetime. Otherwise, what's the point? If you do not see yourself selling it within your lifetime, I don't really understad your "unfired" collector's fetish, unless you see this as some sort of family legacy you are creating.
Even then, keep in mind that despite your best intentions.... when you are dead and gone, your great-grandchild may sell it despite the promise you made 100 years before about the curse that would fall on anyone selling the gun.
Other options: donate it to a museum?
I bet there are lower serial numbered Rohrbaughs being carried by employees at Rohrbaugh that will eventually end up on the market... not trying to discredit your 'score', just food for thought.
What would the first Glock 17 delivered to the public fetch in an auction today? $10K?
Remember that writers for magazines often are given the option of buying the gun at a reduced price. So some of the promotional ones will probally end up in other peoples hands anyway, with a lower serial number and maybe they were shipped out before yours.
I don't think your "first delivered to the public" Means a darn thing, even if the previous 100 don't fall into private hands. Low serial number might me something in the future on the other hand what if there are improvements that are more sought after later on. Unfired might mean something if they ever come collectable but unfired and first delived isn't going to fetch any more in my opinion. I think that is about the same with any gun. Older may end up better but seldom is serial number 12842 better than serial number 12843 if they are the same year of production. I am sure there are cases where I am wrong.
I don't think your "first delivered to the public" Means a darn thing, even if the previous 100 don't fall into private hands. Low serial number might me something in the future on the other hand what if there are improvements that are more sought after later on. Unfired might mean something if they ever come collectable but unfired and first delived isn't going to fetch any more in my opinion. I think that is about the same with any gun. Older may end up better but seldom is serial number 12842 better than serial number 12843 if they are the same year of production. I am sure there are cases where I am wrong.
Mr Jody Hudson
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Or... perhaps preaching to the PREACHER! 
Sven
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After much internal struggle, I ended up shooting my pristine M1 Carbine a bit - 500 rounds so for. If the barrel holds out, I should have at least 20+ years life at this pace. Plan to not shoot it much any more, though - getting another one that will be my 'shooter' -
grodaorhgih
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This is my humble opinion only. Please do not take offense as none is intended.
When you take into account the fact that there will most likely be fewer than one hundred of these guns ever sold and the company will probably fold within a year or two. (look at history)Does that make ser#1 more valuable or less valuable?
When you take into account the fact that there will most likely be fewer than one hundred of these guns ever sold and the company will probably fold within a year or two. (look at history)Does that make ser#1 more valuable or less valuable?
If you want to have two and you can actually get another one, then consider keeping it pristine. Otherwise--SHOOT THE THING. I got one of the first two NAA Guardians in 380. Who cares! I shot it. I don't even have it any more. Shoot it or sell it to me and I will! Watch-Six
Mr Jody Hudson
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What happens if Keltec, as rumors claim, come out with a single stack 9mm just a tad larger than the 3AT? And it retails for $250??? And, it's more accurate??? And, and, and... what will happen to our values??? Will it be like what happened to the littlle .32s and the little .380s after Keltec bested them????
Eric says my R9 should arrive before the Ides of March, my birthday! But, I may have my next Keltec by then too!
Let the flames begin!
My oh my oh my...
Eric says my R9 should arrive before the Ides of March, my birthday! But, I may have my next Keltec by then too!
Let the flames begin!
My oh my oh my...
I am more than a little shocked that you think you can tell how a gun will function in live fire without shooting it. Specially with light wt auto. With tiny lt wt guns you can have function problems because you can't hold gun solid enough (grip not wrist) during recoil. You can also have problems with grip index changing during recoil.
You also won't have any idea were bullets will actually hit in relation to point of aim (or index if using unsighted fire). You do know that when picking a load for a fixed sighted gun that different loads can actually shoot to the left or right of others not only high or low?
There are things you CAN'T tell from static tests.
You also won't have any idea were bullets will actually hit in relation to point of aim (or index if using unsighted fire). You do know that when picking a load for a fixed sighted gun that different loads can actually shoot to the left or right of others not only high or low?
There are things you CAN'T tell from static tests.
Jeff OTMG
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If you are following this thread and are not aware Blackhawk is in bad shape go here for more info. This thread is his.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=62200
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=62200
alamo
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Thanks for posting that Jeff. I've corresponded with him by PM over the years on a few forums. Sad news.
erh
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Good Grief..!:banghead:
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