Rossi .22 pump question

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Was looking at a pump Rossi .22 we got in and it specifically says .22 LR. I was under the impression that the tube magazine fed manually operated .22's would digest shorts, longs and long rifle bullets because the overall length of the bullets didn't matter like it would in a box magazine. Clearly this isn't true of semi-autos because the recoil has to work the action.

Everything I read online insists this is .22LR only. I can accept that, but I am curious as to why?

Thanks!
 
I have the Taurus version - which I believe is exactly the same gun - and it does feed shorts, with an occasional hiccup. I assume it will handle longs as well but have not tried it. CB caps tied the gun up every time, for whatever that is worth.
 
I have one too. I never looked to see if it could shoot other than LR. Good question as to why not others. Maybe it won't feed shorts and longs?
Ahh here you go shooting shorts in one.
Rossi Gallery 22 pump action #shorts - YouTube

He certainly was shooting without problems. Great! Seems odd that they don't use that as a selling point.

I have the Taurus version - which I believe is exactly the same gun - and it does feed shorts, with an occasional hiccup. I assume it will handle longs as well but have not tried it. CB caps tied the gun up every time, for whatever that is worth.

I can see why the caps wouldn't work.

I have a Rossi .357 lever gun, tube fed, and it eats .38's with no problem, couldn't understand why the .22 shorts would give it fits.
 
@FlSwampRat, is that one of the newer production Rossi’s or is it one of the older 62A models? If it is an older model 62A, I can check on whether it says S, L , LR or just LR on the barrel when I get back home.

Stay safe.
 

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Ahh here you go shooting shorts in one.
Rossi Gallery 22 pump action #shorts - YouTube

Does he actually mention using .22 Short rimfire ammo in this video? The #shorts in the title is a reference to the video's length and vertical format. YouTube has begun pushing this recently -- one of my videos got reclassified by them as a 'short'.

My understanding is that cartridge length is fairly critical for reliable feeding with many pump action designs with tubular magazines, though I don't doubt there are exceptions. In most, a shorter than optimal length round will allow part of the next cartridge to slip past the tube and effectively tie up the cartridge lifter.

FWIW, I just experimented with my Winchester 1890 and it seemed to feed multiple CCI CB Longs from the magazine OK. I don't have any shorts on-hand to try at the moment.
 
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Does he actually mention using .22 Short rimfire ammo in this video? The #shorts in the title is a reference to the video's length and vertical format. YouTube has begun pushing this recently -- one of my videos got reclassified by them as a 'short'.

My understanding is that cartridge length is fairly critical for reliable feeding with many pump action designs with tubular magazines, though I don't doubt there are exceptions. In most, a shorter than optimal length round will allow part of the next cartridge to slip past the tube and effectively tie up the cartridge lifter.

FWIW, I just experimented with my Winchester 1890 and it seemed to feed multiple CCI CB Longs from the magazine OK. I don't have any shorts on-hand to try at the moment.
This one 22 shorts for sure:
Will a Rossi Gallery fire .22 short CB - YouTube
Things of that nature...
just sayin,
 
Howdy

The first 22 Rimfire pump action rifle, the Browning designed Winchester Model 1890, could only feed 22 Long Rife, 22 Long, OR 22 Shorts. Each rifle could only feed the cartridge marked on the barrel, not any of the other length cartridges.This model could not feed any other size cartridges than what was marked on the barrel.

This Model 1890 is chambered for 22 Long Rifle.

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This was because the cartridge elevator was very simple. The action at the top of this photo is a Model 1890 chambered for 22 Long Rifle, the one at the bottom is chambered for 22 Short. The slot in elevator that received the cartridge from the magazine was only long enough to accommodate the cartridge the rifle was marked for. Notice how much longer the slot is on the 22 Long Rifle elevator than the 22 Short Elevator. This allowed the appropriate cartridge to fully enter the elevator, and the nose of the bullet stopped another round from feeding into the slot.

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Interestingly enough, the most popular chambering was 22 Short, since it was considered a 'boy's' rifle, and because a great many of them were used in shooting galleries, that may not have been set up to stop a more powerful round than 22 Short.


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In 1906 WInchester introduced the Model 1906.The '06 had a shorter round barrel, and a less expensive stock made of something other than walnut.

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For the first year of production the Model 1906 was only offered chambered for 22 Short. Later, because of a slight redesign of the cartridge elevator, the Model 1906 could chamber 22 Shorts, 22 Longs, or 22 Long Rifles interchangeably.

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This was because a small toggle had been incorporated in the cartridge elevator. When a round was fed into the slot, it pushed one end of the toggle down, which raised the other end, blocking any more cartridges from feeding into the elevator, no matter what length they were.

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For a while, Rossi was importing a little 22 pump rifle which was identical to the Winchester Model 1906. The 22 Pump Rossis in the videos are not the same, they have a different shape to the trigger guard. Also, the Model 1890 and 1906 were take down rifles, they were disassembled by loosening the knurled slotted screw on the right side at the rear of the frame.

Anyway, my little Model 1906, which my grandfather bought for my Dad in the 1930s, is smooth as butter because the action has been worked many times over the years, mostly by me.
 
The newly-released Rossi pump action .22 is quite different from their earlier ones, which were copies of the Browning/Winchester gallery guns, the M59 in .22 magnum and the M62 in .22 short, long, and long rifle. I have one of each of these earlier-pattern rifles and was hoping Rossi was bringing back this design but alas no. I don't find the new iteration very appealing, but pump-action .22s in general are really fun, so hopefully the people that have them enjoy them.
 
Everything I read online insists this is .22LR only. I can accept that, but I am curious as to why?
Easy. In the past, 22 Short and Long were popular cartridges. Advertising a gun is being able to shoot all three was a significant selling point. Today, it's a liability. Basically nobody shoots Shorts or Longs anymore. Nobody is going to NOT buy this gun BECAUSE it doesn't have Short or Long on the barrel. So why set yourself up for the liability via warranty if a gun doesn't feed Shorts or Longs? 99% of guns may feed them just fine, but that 1% that only feeds LR well could add up over time. If it only says LR, then they only have to warranty it for LR.
 
Easy. In the past, 22 Short and Long were popular cartridges. Advertising a gun is being able to shoot all three was a significant selling point. Today, it's a liability. Basically nobody shoots Shorts or Longs anymore. Nobody is going to NOT buy this gun BECAUSE it doesn't have Short or Long on the barrel. So why set yourself up for the liability via warranty if a gun doesn't feed Shorts or Longs? 99% of guns may feed them just fine, but that 1% that only feeds LR well could add up over time. If it only says LR, then they only have to warranty it for LR.

Hard to argue with the logic of this, unfortunately.

I don’t have any longs that aren’t 40 years old, and shorts are expensive compared to lr. Therefore 99.9% of owners opt for lr since it’s cheaper, available, more powerful (but almost never too powerful for the job) and also tends to be more accurate since most rimfire guns have a twist rate more compatible with 40gr lr ammo.
 
@FlSwampRat, is that one of the newer production Rossi’s or is it one of the older 62A models? If it is an older model 62A, I can check on whether it says S, L , LR or just LR on the barrel when I get back home.

Stay safe.
I have no idea what his .22 is that was used in the video

My .357 Rossi is the model 92 SRC that is clearly marked for .38 & .357.
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This caused me to put down my coffee, go open my safe, and see what was stamped on my older 62C. It is labeled to handle all three versions of ammo. Have the newer versions changed anyway except in outside looks? I have no idea. Maybe the stamp of just "22 LR" is a very slight money saving feature.

I agree that there is very little interest in the 22 short today and I haven't seen any longs for sale in so long I can't remember when it was. Back in my kid on the farm days shorts were considerably cheaper than 22 LR and I shot many of them. I found them just as effective as LR hollow points on jackrabbits out to about 30 yards. Unlike the solid LR the little bullet stopped in the animal like the LR HP did. Dead bunny right there . The "whop" sound was a little less but the outcome was the same. I shot the shorts in my dad's Remington Model 12 pump. It never failed to load a long or LR but once in a great while the little short would stand up on end on the lifter and fail to enter the chamber.
 
Riomouse, I'll save you the trouble; my '06ish Rossi is the older model, with the rounded trigger guard, and it is marked for all three.
Even with its 16" tube, it holds a metric chit ton of .22 shorts. I stocked up on those, to feed a Beretta 950.
BTW, the Rossi runs like its Winchester predecessor, and as designed by John Browning. It has no disconnector, so if you hold the trigger, and pump the gun, it will keep shooting. A '97 Win shotgun works the same way.
So, a question for yinz boys with the newer version; does it have a disconnector?
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