Rounds fired ANNUALLY in United States?

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Okay, before anyone says it, this will be a purely academic, likely futile exercise. Just for fun. If your brain is not the variety that ponders random stuff like this, you should probably just stop reading.

The common retort to an anti after a mass shooting usually goes along the lines of "There are 300 million guns in America that did NOT shoot up a school yesterday. Just because ONE did does not mean the rest should be banned."

It got me thinking, how many rounds are fired annually, that don't hurt anybody except targets? This goes back to "common use" although the main purpose is just as a thought experiment. 300 million guns is almost impossible to imagine, and even stacked up against approximately 10,000 homicides, 19,000 suicides, and 55,000 injuries/accidents, still proves to be about 3,500:1 ratio. But ammo can be even starker contrast, because it stands to reason that most criminals don't usually train with their guns regularly, or shoot recreationally, and therefore the only times they are fired is in the commission of a crime, while a law-abiding citizen may fire thousands of rounds every year. This makes proposed ammo tax legislation absurd, but we all already know that. "How absurd?" is the question, just for fun... (begin assumptions, which hopefully get us within an order of magnitude, but let me know if you think some are way off)

Assuming about 4 rounds are fired for every murder, 2 rounds for every non-fatal gun crime/accident, and 1 round fired for every suicide, that adds up to about 169,000 rounds fired for bad reasons.

Assuming about 100,000,000 gun owners in the US, and that population evenly split between (1) serious enthusiasts, (2) casual gun owners, and (3) occasional hunters or people who own a gun but never take it to the range. I would argue the following:

1 - range every month, average fire 250 rounds each trip. Obviously I know some people shoot A LOT more than that, but a lot also shoot less...this is an exercise in guesstimation and law of averages working to balance things.
2 - range every 6 months, or maybe shoot some clays, 50 rounds each visit.
3 - range once a year to sight in, assorted hunting...average: 20 rounds per year.

That all adds up to 104,000,000,000.

Yes, that is over One Hundred BILLION rounds, per year.

When a cartridge is "born" at the factory, it is over 600,000 times more likely to be used lawfully than unlawfully. But yet, some people think we should tax them all, to account for the .00016% that are used to do evil. :rolleyes:

Cut another way, even if every gun owner in America only fires 200 rounds per year (a very conservative estimate I am sure, since most of us here shoot more than that in one range trip), that is still 20 billion lawful rounds (118,000:1).

Well, that was fun. Let me know where you think I am wrong, or your estimates. I may be wildly over-estimating the number of serious shooters in the country, but I tried to limit my sample bias from THR :) I wonder if all the manufacturers that produce ammo can even keep up with a 100 billion rounds/year rate? Of course you have to factor in reloaders and hoarders, but I am just interested in rounds FIRED. But the moral of the story I guess is that it is a wildly spectacularly high number, and no matter how you slice it, the pie graph will have one really really large piece, and one tiny little sliver.
 
No, it is an amusing exercise IMO. But then, I tend to ponder such things as well (whether or not of any practical value) I think your numbers are probably somewhere in the ballpark, but it's a pretty huge ballpark! For every 100 guys that let their guns collect dust, think about the one guy at something like the Knob Creek machine gun shoot:what: When my backyard was my own personal shooting range (last home) I could not believe how many rounds of empty .223 & .38 brass seemed to pile up in my reloading room between reloading sessions, and this from a sedate bolt action and S&W revolver!
 
"Billions and Billions"
 

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I seem to remember the NSSF putting ammo production and imports at 30 billion rounds per year for commercial sales. I'm guessing that doesn't include reloading.

Your guess is as good as mine as to how much of that is fired...

Personally, I'd guess I shot about 60% of what I purchased last year. That would be 18 billion, assuming an equivalent proportion.
 
No, it is an amusing exercise IMO. But then, I tend to ponder such things as well (whether or not of any practical value) I think your numbers are probably somewhere in the ballpark, but it's a pretty huge ballpark!

Practical value be darned! I am satisfied with in the ballpark. It is somewhat crazy to think about. Sometimes at the range I look at all the brass spread out on the floor and can't help but try to guesstimate how many rounds there are. That number gets pretty high, and that is just from a few hours of one range.

Personally, I'd guess I shot about 60% of what I purchased last year. That would be 18 billion, assuming an equivalent proportion.

:what:

I think once we are into the billions at all, it is so high and unfathomable, it just puts any other numbers to shame. :)

Moral of the story:

x billions > > > > > > > > > tens of thousans

Sadly we don't see media reports every time we go to the range and expend a few hundred rounds.
 
Well, I load and use about 5,000 rounds of .45 ACP a year. I usually fire 50 rounds at a session, and use up that amount of ammo over the year. And I probably shoot at least that much .22 LR, along with lesser amounts of other calibers.
 
I was thinking something along these lines last night when I watched the owner of All Around Pizza in Virginia Beach try to go up against Piers Morgan in a telecast interview. Morgan asked him that, if statistics show that the presence of firearms in a place (such as a home or business) makes the risk of injury or death from one higher than the complete lack of them would, how could he feel safer with so many being toted around in his business. Jack Laze (the owner) really didn't have an answer prepared, not that Morgan would have let him get it out, anyway.

But I would have likely answered that statistics show that I am, as a restaurant owner, employee, or delivery driver, far more likely to be injured in a shooting at work than at any firing range, formal or informal, despite "all those people carrying (and firing!) guns around." More people are killed or injured in robbery attempts of businesses than at gun shows, ranges, and gun shops, even if all shootings in those places, including accidental ones are included.

With all those guns around in the pizzeria, I'd feel that there would be virtually no possibility of a robbery attempt even getting to a threatening point before being stopped, should anyone even try it.
 
I belong to a small range in Westchester County. I did a quick calculation, assuming the mathematical average grain weight of each bullet was 80 grains (most people fire .22lr), 1000 rounds fired a day, range open 300 days a year (six days a week, occasional holidays, foul weather, or misc reasons for the range being closed). Each year, at least 1.5 tons of lead and copper deposited into the berms. Place has been around since the 1920s, so 80 years means it's just about certain that at least 120 tons of lead and copper have been shot there. Pretty staggering, eh?
 
Beside it being an exercise, it`s point-less.

:rolleyes:

Medwheeler, is Piers STILL on the gun-hate rampage? Can't he find anything else to discuss, with anybody? Yeesh.

Parsimonious, that is a pretty staggering to think about the weight of the rounds too. And from your calculation, just one range, with a pretty safe guess for the # rounds fired per day. I would think it is a lot higher than 1,000, when you average it out. But the 80 gr guess seems good to me. For every person firing a .45 there is 2 people shooting 9mm and a half dozen probably shooting .22LR. But maybe that is just nowadays with ammo prices what they are. :scrutiny: I either had great foresight or great luck last fall when I got into reloading.
 
That all adds up to 104,000,000,000.

Yes, that is over One Hundred BILLION rounds, per year.

Congratulations!

After explaining all this to the anti crowd, we've now identified the ONLY thing in all this data and logical reasoning that they will focus on:

OVER ONE HUNDRED BILLION ROUNDS A YEAR!

OBVIOUSLY these are billions and billions of unnecessary rounds and must therefore be limited and/or outlawed, because this statistic is obviously indicative of a crazed, out of control, society of gun fanatics with entire armories full of weapons and hoards of stockpiles of ammunition.

Therefore a new law should be passed which will limit the total amount of ammunition which may be owned/fired per year by the entire nation full of gun crazed fanatics to

*drum roll*

The magical TEN ROUNDS!

Which, of course, must be serialized and inventoried and maintained in ten separate, locked containers scattered across the nation so that they can never be brought together in one location.

This will successfully remove 103,999,999,990 rounds of ammunition from annual circulation in our society, which will totally eliminate all criminal activity in the entire nation and bring the return of Eden to the sons and daughters of Adam and Eve at last.


See? Problem solved!

Like magic...and we all know magic is real...

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
You're right, USNChief. They solution has always been right there before our eyes! If only science had invented magic sooner.
 
Holdencm9 askes:

Medwheeler, is Piers STILL on the gun-hate rampage? Can't he find anything else to discuss, with anybody?

Yep. He still manages to include at least one gun-attack per show, even if the rest of the show has nothing to do with them.

He needs to understand that, if he expects us to be British, he's waaaay late to this party.
 
I seem to remember the NSSF putting ammo production and imports at 30 billion rounds per year for commercial sales. I'm guessing that doesn't include reloading.

Your guess is as good as mine as to how much of that is fired...

Personally, I'd guess I shot about 60% of what I purchased last year. That would be 18 billion, assuming an equivalent proportion.

HOLY COW! You shot 18 billion rounds last year?

*rapid clicks of abicus beads*

That means you purchased 30 billion rounds of ammunition last year?

What kind of budget does your wife let you have, man?

:eek:
 
Pretty soon one of these highly intellectual libs will say the earth is going to tilt on it's axis because of all the bullets America has fired into the ground:D
 
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