Royal Blue Colt 1911 (pt 2)

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Work done after the fact doesn't letter. So except for sentimental reasons, it won't make any difference. It would be different if you were ordering a new Custom Shop gun but since you're sending back an existing gun, it doesn't matter.

I respectfully disagree.

If I'm looking at, say a Colt Python, and it has been refinished, I wouldn't hesitate if there was documentation that Colt did the work. If "my local 'smith who's the greatest" did it, I would walk away without thinking twice. Unless it was dirt cheap!

Did you reference a WWI-era finish? I thought that's what you wanted but now I don't see a reference to it.

Nope.....Royal Blue all the way.
 
I respectfully disagree.

If I'm looking at, say a Colt Python, and it has been refinished, I wouldn't hesitate if there was documentation that Colt did the work. If "my local 'smith who's the greatest" did it, I would walk away without thinking twice. Unless it was dirt cheap!



Nope.....Royal Blue all the way.


It lost value either way.
 
Nope.....Royal Blue all the way.
For some reason I thought you wanted charcoal blue, which Colt would have to farm out to Turnbull anyway. Royal blue is a modern hot salt blue and anybody can do that.


I respectfully disagree.

If I'm looking at, say a Colt Python, and it has been refinished, I wouldn't hesitate if there was documentation that Colt did the work. If "my local 'smith who's the greatest" did it, I would walk away without thinking twice. Unless it was dirt cheap!
Disagree or not, Colt refinishing does not letter and collectors don't pay NIB prices for refinished guns.

Also, Colt hasn't been the first and last word in finish work in a long time. In fact, some of their work was downright terrible in the 1970's through the 1990's. So depending on who your gunsmith up the street was, it might be a better job. Personally, Colt would be down on the list of people I'd want to use for simple finish work. A number of gunsmiths plus Turnbull, Ford's or Accurate Plating. There's nothing magical about Royal Blue. It's simply mirror polished steel that is hot salt blued. Like this USFA:

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I prefer stainless guns, with long triggers and arched housings. I've owned blued Colts, and the polished sides of the hammers rust pretty easily in a humid climate. I kept rust off with constant attention, but the potential is there.

I had a Super .38 Match grade with fixed sights made about 1935 and my son's marital family have one in .45 from that era. If they'd made that with modern metallurgy and in stainless, that'd be what I want from this basic design.

I like the wide spur hammer and checkering instead of grooved surfaces.
 
Royal blue is a modern hot salt blue and anybody can do that.

Yes and no.

Royal Blue of today is a modern hot salt process. Now, I can't debate whether or not Colt used to use a basic compound, or a proprietary blend that contained arsenic, because I can't verify those rumors..... but I've heard them more than once. Supposedly the arsenic helped give it a more 'blue' look, like an old charcoal process would. Maybe someone can confirm or deny this.

Secondly, to say that "anybody can do that" is nonsense. That level of polishing is a skill that doesn't come easy, and is put to use with very old and unique equipment.

Everyone has an opinion, and mine is this - I want 'Royal Blue', and that's for Colt to do.

And this will get flames thrown my way, but I also question people saying it doesn't matter who does the work, because it wasn't born in their custom shop. If you have a mid 70's Python with half it's finish gone, and one that has been refurbished by COLT, which one will bring more money?
 
I mostly agree with the above. The heavy lifting (so to speak) in a royal blue finish is in the metal prep and polish. Definitely not something that "anyone" could do, with the desired result at least.

Unless I missd something however the OP is not so much talking about resale value as something he could hand down to his son someday. So, wherever the bluing is done, Colt was the best choice to do the prep in house IMHO,
 
I don't have a dog in this fight (if they're is one :D) but I will try to answer some of your questions.

1. Source for Colt's bluing: Equipment and salts come from Du-Lite Corp; 171 River Road; Middletown, CT. 06457 (www.dulite.com). Unless recently changed. They first set up the system shortly before WW2 because it was specified in some government contracts for certain parts that were not to be Parkerized, and Colt stayed with them after the war. All handguns that were blued were processed through the Du-Lite system. Difference in color between the various grades (Standard, Royal Blue, etc.) was dependent on how the parts were polished.

2. Colt buffers (who were among the highest paid shop workers) were equipped with special buffing wheels that were contoured to fit the particular part(s) and came in sets with different levels of abrasive. While this was true of all models, today only certain ones are still in use. Obviously the 1911 platform is one of them.

3. Value of refinished guns: It depends on the particular model and when a particular piece was made. From a serious collector's point of view, ("Serious" means they have lots of money, but are very picky about what they spend it on. :)) refinishing detracts from the value - and sometimes substantially so if the refinish doesn't exactly duplicate the original.

In your example - a Python - it was originally blued using the Du-Lite process. A factory refinish doing the same would slightly reduce the value. But a Du-Lite factory reblue on a handgun made before that method was introduced at Colt (approximately 1940 or 41) would in the judgment of a "serious" collector, be unworthy of spending top-value money on, and if you take what someone would pay - less the cost of refinishing - you could lose money.

In the case of the Python, you might find buyers that weren't serious collectors; but it would be harder to find someone otherwise who was interested (as an example) in a WW1 .45 1911 pistol, if you are looking at it as an investment.
 
Secondly, to say that "anybody can do that" is nonsense. That level of polishing is a skill that doesn't come easy, and is put to use with very old and unique equipment.
Don't take my comments out of context. Obviously it takes skill, the point is twofold. Colt's reputation of doing fine finish work has been in question for decades. Secondly, Colt is not and has never been the only outlet for fine finishes. In fact, there is quite the selection of gunsmiths and refinishers who can do as well, if not better. Turnbull's work is measurably better than Colt's and it is consistent. Colt is not selling $3000 1911's with period correct finishes but Turnbull is. Like I said, you have options. The USFA pictured above is one example. The guy who built the custom Ruger in this thread, being another.

http://www.rugerforum.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=205062

Like I said, Colt refinishing does not letter. No matter who does the job, it's still a refinish and that has an effect on its value. A $900 Colt with $500 worth of Colt refinish work is not worth $1400. A $900 Colt with a period-correct Turnbull refinish will be worth what you put into it. The point being, there is little to gain in having Colt do the work and waiting a year. The other option, such as Jack Huntington who built the sixgun in the link above, is to have it professionally refinished along with some superb tuning and trigger work. In case you wanted to end up with a pistol that shoots as good as it looks and that will only take 6months. He also does rust bluing and that is a better finish that Royal Blue.

The point in all of this is not to insult or pee in your cornflakes but to open your options and get your gun back quicker. Without it spending months with a company that is bankrupt.
 
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