Ruger 10/22?
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greyling22
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I like most of it, but why on earth would you design it with a giant flash hider on the end? That's bonkers on a 22. (it's great if you have a suppressor, but if you don't......)
Captains1911
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A 10/22 with standard 10 round mags is plenty accurate and ideal for Appleseed shoots.
Captains1911
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specs pleaseWait a few months and you can buy this baby which is specifically designed for Appleseed. How do I know that? Because I designed it and am an Appleseed instructor.
That's not me in the photo, just a Ruger guy...
dmurdach
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PJSprog
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My wife has a 10/22, and I have a pair of Savage bolts (MkII & 93). She likes her 10/22 better, and shoots it well.
We've also talked about doing an Appleseed event. Looks like a good time.
We've also talked about doing an Appleseed event. Looks like a good time.
The Ruger gun was designed with the idea that a rifle with decent sights i.e., peep and post sights, and a scope rail for modern optics would be pretty practical. In addition an adjustable stock for large and small shooters would be practical. Add sling swivels and you have a great grab and go, all weather rifle right out of the box. In order to get Ruger to actually make it, I specified components they already had. The sights were from the Mini 14/30, the stock was directly from their fairly new American Rimfire bolt action. That buttsplate/cheek piece is replaceable with long or short, tall or low cheek well to fit big and small people as well as the iron sights or scope.
Ok, the big honking flash hider isn't really for hiding the non existing flash on a .22. That idea came from teaching new shooters how to shoot prone. Invariably they tend to dip the muzzle of the rifles into the dirt, mud, snow, concert. Appleseed instructors starting putting slip on flash hiders to keep the muzzles/crown from being damaged. On of my colleagues actually cut down and threaded barrels and used cut down AR15 flash hiders to protect the muzzle. He called them "mud guards". I couldn't get Ruger to make cut down short flash hiders/muzzle comps so I just specified "flash hider" and that's what they make. The first thing I would do is replace it with a cut down "mud guard". Of course you could also use the threads barrel for a suppressor or muzzle comp but my design was for a muzzle protector.
Here is the original design. The things off to the right are the butt stock attachments and also notice the compact version with a shorter barrel. Lets hope they offer the compact version as well.
Ok, the big honking flash hider isn't really for hiding the non existing flash on a .22. That idea came from teaching new shooters how to shoot prone. Invariably they tend to dip the muzzle of the rifles into the dirt, mud, snow, concert. Appleseed instructors starting putting slip on flash hiders to keep the muzzles/crown from being damaged. On of my colleagues actually cut down and threaded barrels and used cut down AR15 flash hiders to protect the muzzle. He called them "mud guards". I couldn't get Ruger to make cut down short flash hiders/muzzle comps so I just specified "flash hider" and that's what they make. The first thing I would do is replace it with a cut down "mud guard". Of course you could also use the threads barrel for a suppressor or muzzle comp but my design was for a muzzle protector.
Here is the original design. The things off to the right are the butt stock attachments and also notice the compact version with a shorter barrel. Lets hope they offer the compact version as well.
greyling22
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Ok, I'll buy that explanation. I do wish they would include an optional thread protector and raise the price $4. Now if they would redesign the bolt catch/release to the auto release so I don't have to mod or replace them (picking nits, but I do think it is an improved design. I could ask for a better trigger, but like that is ever going to happen. I'll just keep fixing the stock one) they would have a truly grand rifle.
I'm not usually one to criticize a post but this is so far over the top I have to say something. I've "never" seen a stock Ruger that would shoot better than a Marlin 60 as far as accuracy goes much less a CZ. Will it be better for Appleseed? Maybe since Appleseed seems to have been designed for the 10/22. From what I understand it doesn't require a high degree of accuracy. Yes a rifle must be fairly accurate but not benchrest accurate.
I suggested the American because the OP was talking about a bolt gun and seemed to like the idea of having a rifle that used his Ruger mags. That put the American in the mix IMO. But there are other semi-autos that will work for Appleseed. The Marlin 795 is one. They have a model designed specifically for Appleseed too. Personally I've never seen one of those events anywhere near where I live. I suppose it would be fun but absolute accuracy is more fun IMO.
BTW I have a fairly new Marlin 60 and an old one. Both were more accurate than the 2 10/22's my best friend bought within a week of the time I bought the new Marlin. We shot them side by side and switched shooters and rifles. The Marlins won every time. some, Ruger does, Marlin does, Remington does, S&W does, etc., etc.. I would think that working a bolt quickly wouldn't be that tough for Appleseed. Not if you practice.
As much hyperbole as I've seen attached to Rugers I think this takes the cake. I've never seen anyone make a claim like that except you. There are some great shooters that make it out of the factory sometimes. I suppose it's possible that a top shooting Ruger would outshoot a bottom feeder CZ. But it sure isn't likely to happen more than once. They aren't even close to being in the same category of accuracy.
cdb1
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I have a Marlin Model 60 with an aftermarket trigger. My BIL has three tricked out 10/22's. My Model 60 is more accurate than his Rugers. Also have a CZ. 512 that seriously rocks.
Actually the marksmanship part of Appleseed is based on the old military course of fire which is based on the Garand. That means a semi auto with the capability of shooting up to ten rounds in combinations of 2 & 8 and 5 & 5. In the beginning Appleseed was all about high powered center fire rifles.
It just sort of evolved that with the price of centerfire ammunition going up (before the panic) the 22 rifle became popular The Ruger 10/22 became the most popular because it has a flush fitting detachable magazine and was both reliable and accurate. It was like shooting a service rifle.
Is it the most accurate 22 rifle? No.
Is it more accurate than most people can shoot it? Yes.
Most people cannot shoot into an inch, unsupported at 25 meters (at least until after they come to an Appleseed) . A stock 10/22 will do that. I see that time and time again on the line at Appleseed. And inch at 25 meters is 4 moa (4" @ 100 yards) which is pretty good for everything but a target rifle. A typical stock 10/22 will do a little better than that, maybe 2.5-3.5 moa.
It just sort of evolved that with the price of centerfire ammunition going up (before the panic) the 22 rifle became popular The Ruger 10/22 became the most popular because it has a flush fitting detachable magazine and was both reliable and accurate. It was like shooting a service rifle.
Is it the most accurate 22 rifle? No.
Is it more accurate than most people can shoot it? Yes.
Most people cannot shoot into an inch, unsupported at 25 meters (at least until after they come to an Appleseed) . A stock 10/22 will do that. I see that time and time again on the line at Appleseed. And inch at 25 meters is 4 moa (4" @ 100 yards) which is pretty good for everything but a target rifle. A typical stock 10/22 will do a little better than that, maybe 2.5-3.5 moa.
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Captains1911
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Thanks for the details. If I didn't already have a 10/22 setup for Appleseed I would look hard at this when it comes out.The Ruger gun was designed with the idea that a rifle with decent sights i.e., peep and post sights, and a scope rail for modern optics would be pretty practical. In addition an adjustable stock for large and small shooters would be practical. Add sling swivels and you have a great grab and go, all weather rifle right out of the box. In order to get Ruger to actually make it, I specified components they already had. The sights were from the Mini 14/30, the stock was directly from their fairly new American Rimfire bolt action. That buttsplate/cheek piece is replaceable with long or short, tall or low cheek well to fit big and small people as well as the iron sights or scope.
Ok, the big honking flash hider isn't really for hiding the non existing flash on a .22. That idea came from teaching new shooters how to shoot prone. Invariably they tend to dip the muzzle of the rifles into the dirt, mud, snow, concert. Appleseed instructors starting putting slip on flash hiders to keep the muzzles/crown from being damaged. On of my colleagues actually cut down and threaded barrels and used cut down AR15 flash hiders to protect the muzzle. He called them "mud guards". I couldn't get Ruger to make cut down short flash hiders/muzzle comps so I just specified "flash hider" and that's what they make. The first thing I would do is replace it with a cut down "mud guard". Of course you could also use the threads barrel for a suppressor or muzzle comp but my design was for a muzzle protector.
Here is the original design. The things off to the right are the butt stock attachments and also notice the compact version with a shorter barrel. Lets hope they offer the compact version as well.
Yeah I knew that. It just seems like the whole thing was geared toward the Rugers even if it wasn't really. Ruger was making pretty much the only .22 that worked well within the framework of Appleseed for a long time. Now other rifle makers are getting in on the action specifically Marlin for one with the 795 Liberty Training Rifle they just designed to work with Appleseed. My 795 is on par with Ruger 10/22's as far as accuracy goes in my experience. But others say their 795's shoot better than mine do. I haven't really seen a lot of them around to know just how well they work on average I guess.
An inch at 25 yards is not exactly the stuff of Anschutz rifles. It can be done with most modern rifles with decent ammo IMO. I'm not sure what the time limits are but that seems to be the key.
I have a couple of 795s which I like very much. They have become popular with Appleseeders primarily because of their lower cost. Mine (one with Tech Sights, one with a scope) are more accurate than my 10/22. It is lighter, the stock is a bit flimsy and I think it is harder to shoot than my 10/22s. I don't like the mag sticking out or the mag release. I do like the bolt release.
I liked it enough to buy a second one and overall it is a great bang for the buck.
I liked it enough to buy a second one and overall it is a great bang for the buck.
johnandersonoutdoors
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Thank you everyone. I appreciate the feedback. Gonna have some thinking to do over the next few months 
You wouldn't believe what I paid for my 795. Gander Mtn. had 2 different sales going on including a weekend $20 off anything over $100 and $30 off the 795 itself. Plus that was when Marlin still had a $25 rebate on the 795. The listed price was $125 but because a salesman lied to me several times about having them in stock and me having sent my son to buy one for me which was a long way out of his way the store manager sold me the model with the scope on it for the $125 price plus I got all those discounts. The scope wasn't much of course but I was offered $15 for it. I was holding out for $20. If I had taken the $15 I would have a grand total of $40 in a brand new 795. I still have the scope because I haven't been to any flea markets or whatever since then. I'll sell it. I was just holding out for $20 just to see how far I could get the actual price down. $35 for a brand new rifle just has a good ring to it IMO. If I never sell that scope (probably good for a kids air rifle or something) I still don't have much money in that rifle. I don't know if I remember the exact details but I do remember it was $40 if I sold that scope for $15.
Sometimes you just get lucky I guess.
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Every thread about Rugers one or two guys will post that their 60's are better than any Ruger 10/22. Maybe so. but the results of shooting matches do not bear that out. look up rimfire matches. seldom does a 60 run with the Rugers. I know my Marlin 795 wont come close to my Ruger. Posting it doesn't make it so.
when it happens in sanctioned witnessed matches it will have some credibility.
I don't take posted groups as proof. we just had an episode like that on another site.
when it happens in sanctioned witnessed matches it will have some credibility.
I don't take posted groups as proof. we just had an episode like that on another site.
ole farmerbuck
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I have 8 10-22's and none of them will do this except the ones with Green Mountain barrels. This is with my new Stainless model 60 the other day at 40 OR 50 yards. Rapid fire.
Some people won't take anything as proof that a 60 will shoot more accurate than a 10/22. I've tested several side by side and the 60 won "every" time. Even a 20 year old 60 with 150,000 rounds through it bested 2 brand new Rugers. I do not think my 795 will outshoot a 10/22 though. But I have only shot one 795 so I don't know how mine compares to the average model. Actually i've had several Marlins that wouldn't shoot as well as a 10/22 including a 925 bolt action. But the 60 is consistently better in my experience.
Yes people always bring up Marlins when the talk turns to Ruger 10/22 rifles. There's a reason for that. For me it's because I've seen way too many posts where people say that Ruger is the best rifle ever made. I just like to do my part to dispel mythology.
I don't hate Ruger. They make some fine weapons. I did seriously dislike them for a while because of the things Bill Ruger said and did. But he's been gone a long time and Ruger is making big progress IMO with the American series among others. I own a Ruger handgun and there is one Ruger handgun I've wanted for years but can't find one. I just think the 10/22 gets wrapped up in way too much hype sometimes. As an extreme example wouldn't you want someone to inform you that buying a Yugo car was a really bad idea? I'm not putting the 10/22 in that low of a category but the principle is the same. If I can help someone make a better decision then I feel like I've done a good thing. And unless you want to build a project gun or maybe you want to shoot Appleseed the rest of the time a Marlin 60 is a better choice. Cheaper, more accurate, just as reliable and none of those balky round mags. My thumbs hurt just thinking about those.
Yes people always bring up Marlins when the talk turns to Ruger 10/22 rifles. There's a reason for that. For me it's because I've seen way too many posts where people say that Ruger is the best rifle ever made. I just like to do my part to dispel mythology.
I don't hate Ruger. They make some fine weapons. I did seriously dislike them for a while because of the things Bill Ruger said and did. But he's been gone a long time and Ruger is making big progress IMO with the American series among others. I own a Ruger handgun and there is one Ruger handgun I've wanted for years but can't find one. I just think the 10/22 gets wrapped up in way too much hype sometimes. As an extreme example wouldn't you want someone to inform you that buying a Yugo car was a really bad idea? I'm not putting the 10/22 in that low of a category but the principle is the same. If I can help someone make a better decision then I feel like I've done a good thing. And unless you want to build a project gun or maybe you want to shoot Appleseed the rest of the time a Marlin 60 is a better choice. Cheaper, more accurate, just as reliable and none of those balky round mags. My thumbs hurt just thinking about those.
I've never shot a CZ, but own three 10/22's. The oldest is around 30+ and the newest is a 40th Anniversary model. Two have aftermarket barrels and stocks and all shot better than I can. I have several inexpensive bolt actions somewhere in a safe that haven't been out in 20 years or so.
savanahsdad
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^^^ this post needs IMO all over it ! and if YOUR mod 60 is more accurate , good for YOU , MY 1971 Ruger 10/22's are way more accurate than my 1991 jam-o-matic mod 60 , and the mod 60 has had the buffer replace and a new firing pin installed , most everyone made some junk in the 80's and early 90's , Ford, Chevy , Marlin , Ruger , RCBS , Lee , but most of the newer stuff it back to the standards of the 70's , still hard to find a good looking stock on either the 10/22 or the mod 60, IMO, but the mod 60 has not looked good since they were Glenfields ,IMO , but even those were picky about what you fed them , you may find a round that shoots good but wont feed good , I've seen Rugers with crap triggers , and some that would not group well , but I would rather have to take that 2nd shot, than have to unjam my gun , and there are threads all over the inter-web about tube-feed and ammo not feeding ie picky.
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