Ruger AR556 vs. Colt M4 vs. Smith & Wesson MP-15

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Don't forget to check out Windham Weaponry. They are essentially a resurrection of the pre-Remington Bush Master. Good stuff by people that have been building ARs a long time. typically can be found for ~$700-$800.

IMHO, for a non-SBR (i.e. no tax stamp) AR, mid-length (9") gas system rifles with 16" barrels are a much better option than M4 clones with carbine length (6") gas systems.
 
Others can correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that mil-spec AR carbines all have chrome-lined barrels and a 1:7 rifling twist which allows them to stabilize the long, heavy tracer projectiles.

The Ruger AR 556 barrel has a 1:8 twist and is not lined. The M&P15 Sport II has a 1:9 twist rate. Smith and Wesson advertised that the barrel of the original M&P Sport was melonite-lined, but I don't see them saying this about the Sport II so I am not sure it is lined.

The Ruger AR 556 bolt carrier has a bolt carrier group with an unshrouded firing pin. The Ruger also has a threaded rather than a spring-loaded Delta ring which is proprietary, and also has a proprietary gas block/front sight post. I happen to like the Ruger front sight post and Delta ring.

The Smith M&P15 Sport II has a flip up Magpul MBUS rear sight with dual sight apertures. The Ruger rear flip-up rear sight is a proprietary design with only a single (smaller) aperture. The MBUS sight is better.

I have no doubt that the Colt LE 6920 is a better carbine than the Ruger AR 556 or the Smith M&P15 Sport II, but you have to consider your intended usage. Do you expect to shoot more than 20,000 rounds through the rifle or use it to shoot hundreds of rounds in a few minutes time?

The Ruger and M&P are very comparably priced. When I was pricing AR carbines, the cheapest price I could find for Colt 6920s was at $300-400 more than either of the other two. That amount of money will buy a very, very nice optic. I have no doubt that I could shoot my Ruger AR 556 better with a top quality optic than I could a Colt 6920 with "iron" sights.

Great post. That was my thinking too.

I bought the Ruger AR556 and used the savings to buy a good scope and a quick detach Burris mount. The AR556 ($590 at the time), Nikon P-223 scope ($125 pre-owned in mint condition) and Burris PEPR quick detach mount (about $85) put me in my AR for about $800 all-in. It's just used for plinking and having fun. Not planning on heading off into battle with it.
 
Great post. That was my thinking too.

I bought the Ruger AR556 and used the savings to buy a good scope and a quick detach Burris mount. The AR556 ($590 at the time), Nikon P-223 scope ($125 pre-owned in mint condition) and Burris PEPR quick detach mount (about $85) put me in my AR for about $800 all-in. It's just used for plinking and having fun. Not planning on heading off into battle with it.

Why wouldn't it make a good protection gun? or going into battle?
 
It would make a fine protection gun. Realistically thinking about self defense shootings, if your gun can shoot 5-10 rounds in a row without a jam at any given time, it is suitable for self defense.

I bought the Ruger AR556 and used the savings to buy a good scope and a quick detach Burris mount. The AR556 ($590 at the time), Nikon P-223 scope ($125 pre-owned in mint condition) and Burris PEPR quick detach mount (about $85) put me in my AR for about $800 all-in. It's just used for plinking and having fun. Not planning on heading off into battle with it.

That's a perfect example of using money smartly. An AR should be viewed as a system, with several parts adding to its performance. It's the same concept as a hunting rifle, don't spend your whole budget on the gun itself, save some money for the scope and sling.
 
Why wouldn't it make a good protection gun? or going into battle?

The average home defense scenario is a very, very different animal than all out military combat.

Id imagine the average HD scenario would entail 4-5 shots into center mass followed by a hunker down session while you wait on the cops and coroner to swing by afterward and sort it all out.

Military combat could mean prolonged firefights in less than ideal circumstances. I'd want a rifle built to withstand the wear, tear, and volume of fire that might come along with that if in that situation.

I see these two events on very different ends of the spectrum.

My personal preference for a defensive rifle is mil spec as a baseline. You could say that I subscribe to the "overkill is under rated" philosophy, though. Key words....my personal preference.

while an MP Sport or Ruger AR 556 might be less than ideal for full on military warfare usage, I'd be less than honest if I did not agree that they'd likely serve well enough for the average HD scenario we civilians are likely to encounter.

It really boils down to what you are personally comfortable with.
 
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These are the lower cost lot of brand name AR-15's available for sale.
Which one would be the best bang for buck? What are the main differences in these AR's?

The Colt M4 model6920 is the best overall of those 3 guaranteed. Look no further.

The other 2 are good rifles, but there is a reason that Military and Police use the Colt.
 
Is the Ruger and the Smith MP Mil-Spec? What are some examples of AR brands that are not Mil-Spec?

No they are not.

You would have to understand the definition of milspec. Many AR's are not milspec, while some higher-end more expensive brands are better than milspec. Anything that does not follow the Military TDP (technical data package) for a service rifle is not milspec. Many AR manufacturers advertise mil-specifications when they are not, or only certain parts of the rifle are milspec.
 
The Colt M4 model6920 is the best overall of those 3 guaranteed. Look no further.

The other 2 are good rifles, but there is a reason that Military and Police use the Colt

Okay, so I'll ask you the same question that other people can't answer. Can you do something demonstrably better with a Colt than I can do with a budget AR? Without talking specs, only performance, what is the extra money getting you?
 
Okay, so I'll ask you the same question that other people can't answer. Can you do something demonstrably better with a Colt than I can do with a budget AR? Without talking specs, only performance, what is the extra money getting you?

A brand name Colt who has been producing the AR longer than both Smith and Ruger?
 
The average home defense scenario is a very, very different animal than all out military combat.

Id imagine the average HD scenario would entail 4-5 shots into center mass followed by a hunker down session while you wait on the cops and coroner to swing by afterward and sort it all out.

Military combat could mean prolonged firefights in less than ideal circumstances. I'd want a rifle built to withstand the wear, tear, and volume of fire that might come along with that if in that situation.

I see these two events on very different ends of the spectrum.

My personal preference for a defensive rifle is mil spec as a baseline. You could say that I subscribe to the "overkill is under rated" philosophy, though. Key words....my personal preference.

while an MP Sport or Ruger AR 556 might be less than ideal for full on military warfare usage, I'd be less than honest if I did not agree that they'd likely serve well enough for the average HD scenario we civilians are likely to encounter.

It really boils down to what you are personally comfortable with.

A 12 gauge shotgun.
 
No they are not.

You would have to understand the definition of milspec. Many AR's are not milspec, while some higher-end more expensive brands are better than milspec. Anything that does not follow the Military TDP (technical data package) for a service rifle is not milspec. Many AR manufacturers advertise mil-specifications when they are not, or only certain parts of the rifle are milspec.

Technically, the only ones that are mil-spec are the ones being sold to the military.
 
Mil-spec or not as long as the rifle protects and serves your purposes it's fine. If it isn't broke don't fix it. Lots of marketing involved here too.
 
Why wouldn't it make a good protection gun? or going into battle?

I didn't mean that it couldn't be used for battle or home protection. It would be fine as a home defense weapon (although an AR is not my first choice for a typical home defense situation).

I just meant that I wasn't trying to buy or build an AR to go into the battlefield, so I wasn't that worried about minuscule differences in various specs or accuracy with particular types of ammo. If I knew I was going into battle, I'd be very particular about the specs of the weapon I bought or built.
 
No they are not.

You would have to understand the definition of milspec. Many AR's are not milspec, while some higher-end more expensive brands are better than milspec. Anything that does not follow the Military TDP (technical data package) for a service rifle is not milspec. Many AR manufacturers advertise mil-specifications when they are not, or only certain parts of the rifle are milspec.



One thing that some people don't always realize is that mil spec means full auto or burst fire trigger parts, and these are only installed on ARS sold to the military.
I have a Colt M4 that is "milspec"........except it really is not quite since it is only semiauto like the Ruger and Bushmaster and other civie "m4orgeries."
 
One thing that some people don't always realize is that mil spec means full auto or burst fire trigger parts, and these are only installed on ARS sold to the military.
I have a Colt M4 that is "milspec"........except it really is not quite since it is only semiauto like the Ruger and Bushmaster and other civie "m4orgeries."

The biggest difference is that government weapons are individually inspected by government inspectors. If you have a Colt it's the closest thing you can buy to a mil-spec weapon, as they are the only manufacturer who can use the TDP to make civilian firearms.

More information, old, but mostly still useful:
http://defensereview.com/wp-content..._about_MilSpec_by_David_Crane_Summer_2008.pdf

http://atwar.blogs.nytimes.com/2010...ion=click&region=FixedRight&pgtype=Blogs&_r=0
 
Here's my take on mil-spec; In a technical sense, yeah there are very few true mil-spec rifles out on the market. A few are out there, but not many. In a slightly less literal sense though, mil-spec generally means it is built with the same materials and performs to the same standard as the true military parts. And for ARs, there is some applications where a mil-spec rifle is a good thing. If you shoot a lot, don't shoot at very long ranges, don't want to mount high magnification optics, and do a lot of on-the-move shooting, then a mil-spec AR is a good fit. Now, I didn't say a Colt AR, I said a mil-spec AR.

The thing that gets some people bent out of shape over is, what if another company offers a product that spec'd the same level as a Colt, but is 20% cheaper? Is it possible that people can have the same shooting experience, for the same amount of time, but for less money? What if one or two parts are different, but everything else is the same, is that worth making a big deal about? What if, and this really muddies the water, the rifle performs better than the Colt, costs less, last just as long, and is made with parts that are completely different than what Colt offers? This is why you will rarely see someone advocate a Colt based on accuracy, longevity of the major parts, trigger pull, or factory options. The reality is there are a number of different ARs out there that will do the same as the Colt for less, or one or two specific things better than the Colt for less. Instead, as I said before, it is a random grab bag of reasons that the Colt is better, none of which make a difference when you are shooting the rifle.
 
When it comes to the likes of Colt/BCM/Daniel Defense/etc... vs the cheaper options it really comes down to one thing:

Are you willing to pay the extra money for a rifle that was built to correct (or better) specifications or one where the company decided to cut some corners to come in at a lower cost?

Some rifles come with an unshrouded bolt carrier. Batch tested bolts and barrels instead of individually tested. Unlined barrels. Not true 5.56 chambers. Carbine buffers instead of H. Not staking the castle nut. Lower standards for QA/QC. Larger than normal gas ports. Proprietary gas blocks. No dimpling of the barrel for the gas block screw. Locktite used on the receiver extension. Commercial sized receiver extensions. Non F marked front sight base. Using cheaper YFS screws in the gas key. Improper staking of the gas key.

Why do they do these things? It saves money.

Is a cheaper AR going to work for you in a home defense situation? Probably. Most of the issues cheaper guns have usually don't arise unless you start really pushing the guns. Usually. How much you want to play those odds is up to you.
 
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One thing that some people don't always realize is that mil spec means full auto or burst fire trigger parts, and these are only installed on ARS sold to the military.
I have a Colt M4 that is "milspec"........except it really is not quite since it is only semiauto like the Ruger and Bushmaster and other civie "m4orgeries."

Which means it is no better than the Ruger or Smith MP-15? The Colt doesn't perform any better or worse than these other two brands.
A Thompson "Chicago Typewriter" Tommy gun might be nice of course it would be the semi auto version. .45 ACP
 
Is a cheaper AR going to work for you in a home defense situation? Probably. Most of the issues cheaper guns have usually don't arise unless you start really pushing the guns. Usually. How much you want to play those odds is up to you.

Here is a great example of FUD. Fear, uncertainty and doubt. The irony is FUD always goes one way in the AR world, toward the budget guns.

This is a far better example of reality, mostly because it is reality, that paying more is no guaranty your rifle won't go down when you need it most. Anyone who shoots a lot knows not to believe the hype of a gun that never fails.



 
Here is a great example of FUD. Fear, uncertainty and doubt. The irony is FUD always goes one way in the AR world, toward the budget guns.

This is a far better example of reality, mostly because it is reality, that paying more is no guaranty your rifle won't go down when you need it most. Anyone who shoots a lot knows not to believe the hype of a gun that never fails.






I've seen $2000 rifles choke and die. I've seen $400 rifles run like silk. I've seen it the other way around. Every company ships out turds.
 
Which means it is no better than the Ruger or Smith MP-15? The Colt doesn't perform any better or worse than these other two brands.
A Thompson "Chicago Typewriter" Tommy gun might be nice of course it would be the semi auto version. .45 ACP
I'm sure both Ruger and Sig make good serviceable M4s. Whether they're equal to or better than mil spec I don't know.
Just because a M4 is not mil spec doesn't mean it will jam or break the first time it's fired. Some non milspecs, as has been stated, are actually BETTER than standard GI milspec.
A Thompson would be nice especially if it actually worked rather than be the dummy gun as wall-hanger that is my avatar.
 
I'm sure both Ruger and Sig make good serviceable M4s. Whether they're equal to or better than mil spec I don't know.
Just because a M4 is not mil spec doesn't mean it will jam or break the first time it's fired. Some non milspecs, as has been stated, are actually BETTER than standard GI milspec.
A Thompson would be nice especially if it actually worked rather than be the dummy gun as wall-hanger that is my avatar.

The Chicago Typewriter aka Chopper has alot of history behind it from the past military wars, gangsters prohibition, FBI. I like that. I remember I saw them for sale in a gun store in 1974 for $149.00 The AR-15's were $300 at that time.
 
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