Ruger M77 Hawkeye - QQ Major issues

Have you had these issues with your M77 Hawkeye?

  • Yes, I have the same or similar issues

  • No, I do not have any of the above issues

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Caplock said:
I have a Hawkeye in 7mm-08. Everything about my example is great...except the bolt is gritty and rough. I hope it smooths out with use.
Wood is very nice. Accuracy is very good(hunting gun).
I paid 350.00 for mine second hand. Guy who sold it wanted a Magnum of some flavor. I threw a low ball offer and got it.

Good thing you have good laws over there. Get your money back and get AR10 for your hunting rifle. LoL!!! I have no complaints about my mine.
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That was really the root of my issues with my GSR, the visual coarseness didn't really bother me, but I can't abide a rough and binding bolt, and it exhibited both issues. My M77 African, on the other hand was smooth, only issue with that rifle was that it shipped with the wrong height front sight for the chambering, which was a little annoying, but Ruger sent one out. My SR22 has also developed a problem where when fired the disassembly tab/buffer pops out... Probably need to send that one in, but thus far I've corrected the issue by putting it in the back of the cabinet and shooting the excellent Sig P322 in it's place.

My last 3 Ruger rifles have had to go back to Ruger to get straightened out post-sale:

-My 77/44 had abysmal accuracy (even for a 77/44) and got recrowned.

-My PC Carbine went back for the early stovepipe issue.

-Most recently my Ruger SFAR came with a gas block that was visibly off center, pressing against the left inside of the handguard and couldn't be straightened because the set screw divots in the barrel we're also off center. Ruger put a new barrel on it. On The Hide there is a running SFAR thread and at least two other guys have had to send their rifles in for various problems, I believe one is sending his in a second time.

My SR22, PC Carbine and SFAR are all early models because I liked the designs, maybe that's part of the issue, but I buy other companies first gens (Sig Cross and P322 recently) and Ruger is by far my highest problem/return rate. They do usual take care of it the second time around, but by then I've wasted time and money on something that, in most cases, probably should have been caught before shipping.

I will say, my RPR (also early production) was excellent, and my LCP and 22/45 lite have also been fine.
 
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JPSauer said:
You really didnt read anything past "investment casting"... so you read investment casting isnt as strong as forged steel, have a stroke and type this out....

If you bothered to read, (hopefully you got this far) i expect ruger to put moe effort finishing when using a cheaper, quicker method to make the rifle.

And the stock fit, and burrs etc all good tooo?? Well not for me. And ofcourse you dont care what i spent, coz i spent it not u, ur not meant to care.

A win model 70 featherweight also a mauser style, is same price, and its all forged, finished well etc. So at this price point casing cast one would expect a great finish.

Mad at myself? Haha for what? Wth our consumer laws, im either getting a refund or the gun remade practically. I just put this up to warn others.

P.s. a ruger is not the strongest revolver, you really need to read through this thread, everything you have mentioned has been brought up before.
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I read your whole post, unfortunately and find nothing of value in it.

You obviously did not read mine. Extraneous finish work is where Ruger has ALWAYS cut costs. Prices in the Australian market are irrelevant. These ideas and expectations you have are not congruent with reality.

I also said the strongest revolver in the world is built on a frame cast by Ruger out of 17-4ph stainless. Ruger doesn't use 17-4 but Freedom Arms does.
 
There are no major QQ (QC?) issues with any Ruger Firearm. As with any other major gunmaker - Or any stuff maker, for that matter - there will be lemons. Ruger is known to have one of the best CS in the industry. They will fix your lemon or give you your money back - With or without Aussie Laws.
 
hk45shootist said:
There are no major QQ (QC?) issues with any Ruger Firearm. As with any other major gunmaker - Or any stuff maker, for that matter - there will be lemons. Ruger is known to have one of the best CS in the industry. They will fix your lemon or give you your money back - With or without Aussie Laws.
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You don't know that Ruger doesn't have more QC issues than other manufacturers. I have had more than my fair share of Ruger QC issues. CS starts with building a product that doesn't need to go back for repairs or doesn't have defects. To that end, I am unimpressed with Ruger CS.
 
Spats McGee said:
I've been out for a few days, but read the thread last week and just spent a few minutes catching up. @JPSauer, first, I don't blame you for being a little sore about this. If I'd paid ~$2K for a rifle that I couldn't inspect first, and it showed up with the flaws you mentioned, I'd be a little testy, too.

However, . . . .

If Ruger spent extra time on the finishing, that would have eaten into the benefit of the cost savings earned by casting parts. It's not like their employees work for free.

In the interest of fairness, I'm something of a Ruger fan. I've owned, . . . . umm . . . . maybe 10 (?) Rugers over the years, and they've all been flawless. I'm not saying they're perfect, because I think we all know better. That said, as someone noted, Ruger builds 'workaday' guns, meaning they may not be the prettiest, and they may not be 'gnats-eye' accurate, but they tend to be reliable and reasonably accurate at a price most can afford.
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I'd think a purchaser should expect more in terms of performance or finish out of a Hawkeye than the American which sells for last than half. If not greater performance or attention to detail, what is the consumer getting for twice the price?
 
dranrab said:
Great news. Was it Ruger's decision to permit the refund, or the dealer? You won't see the same shoddy workmanship on a Winchester or a CZ.
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Ruger is a fine producer of many many very nice firearms. They are just as good as any Portuguese model 70 or Cz (which to me is a Euro-Ruger)
 
dranrab said:
I'd think a purchaser should expect more in terms of performance or finish out of a Hawkeye than the American which sells for last than half. If not greater performance or attention to detail, what is the consumer getting for twice the price?
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All Hawkeyes do not look like his. For the money you get a metal magazine assembly, controlled round feed, three position safety that locks the bolt. Checkered wood stocks, A better looking, feeling rifle.
 
dranrab said:
You won't see the shoddy workmanship that the OP's gun had on a Winchester M70 or a CZ.
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I did not see shoddy workmanship. I did see an uncharacteristic lack of fine finish.

BTW, I may have missed it, how did it shoot?
 
I didnt fire it as i noticed these issues soon as i got it. Incase uissed it, i couldnt check it out before buying it where i live.

The supplier issued the refund, not sure how it works between supplier and ruger.

I have seen a few winchester supergrade 300wm very nice rifles, really couldn't believe how smooth the action was. As for the cz 550, very hard to come by. Stilllooking. Some people in some forums complaim about accuracy of the model 70 supergrade, not sure if thats something i should look into.
 
rizbunk77 said:
Ruger is a fine producer of many many very nice firearms. They are just as good as any Portuguese model 70 or Cz (which to me is a Euro-Ruger)
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I have 2 cz 550s in 3006 ebony editions - u can not compare thia to a ruger. Even my brothers 308 varmint cz 550, the bolt weighs 180grams more than the rugers bolt (very similar dimensions), claw polished to mirror, and very smooth to cycle. High gloss steel mag plate and trigger guard machined from steel. Gota strongly disagree with you on that one.
 
dranrab said:
I'd think a purchaser should expect more in terms of performance or finish out of a Hawkeye than the American which sells for last than half. If not greater performance or attention to detail, what is the consumer getting for twice the price?
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The truth is, Americans shoot better than Hawkeyes and Hawkeyes look and feel a heck of a lot better.
 
This reminds me, there's a Hawkeye African 9.3x62 in the local shop. If you handled the rifle with your eyes closed, you'd think it was a much finer rifle than a Ruger. I'd buy it if it weren't way over-priced.
 
earlthegoat2 said:
The truth is, Americans shoot better than Hawkeyes and Hawkeyes look and feel a heck of a lot better.
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I lucked out with my Hawkeye. The fit and finish are well done and it shoots great. I wonder if accuracy issues could be caused by the barrels not being free floated. I was tempted to open up the barrel channel and do some receiver work but don’t want to mess up a good thing.
 
Barnfixer said:
I lucked out with my Hawkeye. The fit and finish are well done and it shoots great. I wonder if accuracy issues could be caused by the barrels not being free floated. I was tempted to open up the barrel channel and do some receiver work but don’t want to mess up a good thing.
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There are Hawkeyes out there that shoot great. None I have run into shoot horrible but Ruger Americans shoot really well in general. Some of the things that make them less expensive to produce also help with accuracy like the closed top of the receiver and barrel nut method for headspacing. If they put more effort into their barrels they would have even better average accuracy I think.
 
As I recently recounted in the Shotgun Forum, my experience with Winchester's so-called "customer service" and their shoddy materials and workmanship as evidenced in their Turkish-made Model 1300 shotgun, made this former Winchester advocate a disillusioned Winchester adversary. I will never buy another Winchester, no matter where it's made. I've got lots of Ruger firearms and have seldom had any problem with them. On the couple of occasions over the past several decades when I did experience a minor problem or two, Ruger stepped up and made everything right.
 
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