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John_R said:
That, and so many little .380s are fixed barrel blowbacks, seeming to negate the advantage of the lighter recoil.
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We have been through this before, you are going to have a hard time finding new blowback 380s' being released anymore, yes, there are a few, but it is the exception. Yes, there is the Highpoint, and a few based on the PPK, like the Bersa, but most of the 380 pistols use some form of delay.

But, yes, in the theme of this thread, it could be a blowback 380. While unlikely, I consider it more likely than a double ring 380 revolver, utilizing two barrels. Or, my even less likely 5.7x28 Bolt Action carbine.
 
dogtown tom said:
Reread what you wrote.
1. If there was a market for .32acp.....there would be more offerings from manufacturers. Manufacturers are delighted to make you what sells.
2. .380 dominates that market because the market doesn't buy .32's in the quantities that would interest a manufacturer.
3. Yes recoil matters, but most buyers prefer the .380 for its power advantage and the cost and availability of premium ammunition.
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The market has had the same opinion for the past 500 years in that bigger is better. The manufacturers realize that and they forgo the .32 because they know most people would rather have the .380 as it fits in the same size guns as .32 does. Because of that lack of offering .32's you can't say the market doesn't buy them in enough quantities because the selection is garbage.

This goes back to the lack of options manipulates what true demand really is like what I've said about how ammo makers won't make more ammo of a certain caliber because they don't see demand due to low amount of guns and the gun makers won't make the guns because of the low supply and demand of the ammo. I don't think it's accurate to say the market wouldn't buy a .32 version of the various .380 micro pistols because other than Kel Tec and Seecamp companies don't make them.
 
TTv2 said:
The market has had the same opinion for the past 500 years in that bigger is better. The manufacturers realize that and they forgo the .32 because they know most people would rather have the .380 as it fits in the same size guns as .32 does. Because of that lack of offering .32's you can't say the market doesn't buy them in enough quantities because the selection is garbage.
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Again, the market, which is YOU THE BUYER, decides what it wants........and it ain't pocket pistols in .32acp.
Nearly every handgun manufacturer offered .32's before WWII. The .32acp has been on thin ice since the GCA '68 point system effectively eliminated imported pocket pistols in anything less than .380acp.

This goes back to the lack of options manipulates what true demand really is like what I've said about how ammo makers won't make more ammo of a certain caliber because they don't see demand due to low amount of guns and the gun makers won't make the guns because of the low supply and demand of the ammo. I don't think it's accurate to say the market wouldn't buy a .32 version of the various .380 micro pistols because other than Kel Tec and Seecamp companies don't make them.
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Forget KelTec and Seecamp.........NOBODY makes a .32acp pistol in any quantity anywhere near the .380......and for good reason THEY DONT SELL.

The most recent ATF manufacturers report is 2019: https://www.atf.gov/resource-center...anufacturers-and-export-report-afmer/download
Up to .32 pistols 44,923
vs.
Up to .380 pistols 470,859

Keep in mind "up to .32" includes AR/AK style pistols in .300 Blackout, 7.62x39, .308/7.62.......so its really difficult to tell how many are .32acp except by checking by manufacturer.
Of the large manufacturers that make pistols in.32 and .380, only KelTec and Beretta made more .32's than they did .380's. Likely due to the fact Ruger LCP sales effectively destroyed the market for the P3at and the Beretta Pico hasn't lit up the market in seven years.
NAA made a whopping 610 pistols total in 2019.........probably less than the number of LCP's sold each week.

So there ARE manufacturers with .32acp offerings............but no one buys enough to spur other companies to jump in.
 
vito said:
I've always wanted a lever action 357, and I've always liked Rugers. Especially if they keep the price down to a reasonable amount.
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Haunt the online auctions. Check out pawn shops in your area.
It took me two years before I was able to get a Marlin 1894 to go with my GP-100 (both .357) that I bought 3 years before.
I had been looking at other rifles but they had drawbacks. The Uberti version had an unpadded metal buttplate that was also rather sharply curved with about 1" difference between the "points" and the center of the buttplate. It also had no side gate loading and was top eject and was the most expensive too. The Winchester (and the Rossi clone) was also curved buttplate top eject, no side gate, and #2 expensive. While the Rossi was reasonably priced, those other three negatives were too much. The Henry did have side discharge BUT had a tubular magazine that you had to load like a .22 rifle. At the time, all the Henry had was that shiny "brass" receiver that would make it unsuitable for hunting.
Hence the Marlin.
 
dogtown tom said:
Again, the market, which is YOU THE BUYER, decides what it wants........and it ain't pocket pistols in .32acp.
Nearly every handgun manufacturer offered .32's before WWII. The .32acp has been on thin ice since the GCA '68 point system effectively eliminated imported pocket pistols in anything less than .380acp.


Forget KelTec and Seecamp.........NOBODY makes a .32acp pistol in any quantity anywhere near the .380......and for good reason THEY DONT SELL.

The most recent ATF manufacturers report is 2019: https://www.atf.gov/resource-center...anufacturers-and-export-report-afmer/download
Up to .32 pistols 44,923
vs.
Up to .380 pistols 470,859

Keep in mind "up to .32" includes AR/AK style pistols in .300 Blackout, 7.62x39, .308/7.62.......so its really difficult to tell how many are .32acp except by checking by manufacturer.
Of the large manufacturers that make pistols in.32 and .380, only KelTec and Beretta made more .32's than they did .380's. Likely due to the fact Ruger LCP sales effectively destroyed the market for the P3at and the Beretta Pico hasn't lit up the market in seven years.
NAA made a whopping 610 pistols total in 2019.........probably less than the number of LCP's sold each week.

So there ARE manufacturers with .32acp offerings............but no one buys enough to spur other companies to jump in.
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Lord. The only wheelguns to even come *close* to any number of mainstream automatics is in .22 caliber. Also, sad that the .25 is more common than the .32
 
Personally I’m a little disappointed but that’s just because it’s something I’m not interested in, but it seems to be getting a lot of love on Ruger’s Facebook page. Almost all of the comments are positive so far. If I was looking for a pocket 380 I’d take a look.
 
dogtown tom said:
Again, the market, which is YOU THE BUYER, decides what it wants........and it ain't pocket pistols in .32acp.
Nearly every handgun manufacturer offered .32's before WWII. The .32acp has been on thin ice since the GCA '68 point system effectively eliminated imported pocket pistols in anything less than .380acp.


Forget KelTec and Seecamp.........NOBODY makes a .32acp pistol in any quantity anywhere near the .380......and for good reason THEY DONT SELL.

The most recent ATF manufacturers report is 2019: https://www.atf.gov/resource-center...anufacturers-and-export-report-afmer/download
Up to .32 pistols 44,923
vs.
Up to .380 pistols 470,859

Keep in mind "up to .32" includes AR/AK style pistols in .300 Blackout, 7.62x39, .308/7.62.......so its really difficult to tell how many are .32acp except by checking by manufacturer.
Of the large manufacturers that make pistols in.32 and .380, only KelTec and Beretta made more .32's than they did .380's. Likely due to the fact Ruger LCP sales effectively destroyed the market for the P3at and the Beretta Pico hasn't lit up the market in seven years.
NAA made a whopping 610 pistols total in 2019.........probably less than the number of LCP's sold each week.

So there ARE manufacturers with .32acp offerings............but no one buys enough to spur other companies to jump in.
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Firstly, the NAA Guardians shoot like garbage and that's largely the reason no one buys them. Other than NAA, Kel Tec, and Seecamp, IDK who makes a .32 ACP in the US that is a reputable manufacturer and not Jimenez. When there are only three companies in the US making a .32 auto vs almost every gun company in the US making a .380 that's not making a case that the .32's don't sell because if you don't make something how can you tell if people will buy it or not?

For as much as I want a small micro pocket .32, I don't buy the Kel Tec because I don't like the trigger and I don't buy the Seecamp because it has no sights, however I have bought the Beretta 81 (first Beretta I've owned :D) and a LOT of others did too, so there's obviously an interest there, but the gun makers are basing the "lack of demand" off bad numbers by three companies who make relatively unspectacular or straight up flawed .32 automatics.
 
LCP Max... whatever Ruger. IDK who was asking for this, but you know what? If I want a .380 that is small and holds 10 or more rounds, I'd rather buy the Bersa Thunder Plus. But hey, you're Ruger! There will always be people to buy your guns no matter what because... RUGER!
 
TTv2 said:
Firstly, the NAA Guardians shoot like garbage and that's largely the reason no one buys them. Other than NAA, Kel Tec, and Seecamp, IDK who makes a .32 ACP in the US that is a reputable manufacturer and not Jimenez.
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Is Beretta reputable enough?:D

When there are only three companies in the US making a .32 auto vs almost every gun company in the US making a .380 that's not making a case that the .32's don't sell because if you don't make something how can you tell if people will buy it or not?
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You need to recount.;)
Then go back and count those manufacturers who produced .32acp's in the past......Colt, S&W, Sig, Remington, Mauser, Walther, FN/Browning and Taurus.
It's not like they have no experience selling .32acp models.........they certainly do.


For as much as I want a small micro pocket .32, I don't buy the Kel Tec because I don't like the trigger and I don't buy the Seecamp because it has no sights, however I have bought the Beretta 81 (first Beretta I've owned :D) and a LOT of others did too, so there's obviously an interest there, but the gun makers are basing the "lack of demand" off bad numbers by three companies who make relatively unspectacular or straight up flawed .32 automatics.
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Nonsense.
I named several companies, some with over a hundred years of experience with .32acp handguns.
 
dogtown tom said:
Is Beretta reputable enough?:D
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Their 3032 Tomcat is a dumpster fire in terms of the frame cracking. That's something I wouldn't pay money for.


You need to recount.;)
Then go back and count those manufacturers who produced .32acp's in the past......Colt, S&W, Sig, Remington, Mauser, Walther, FN/Browning and Taurus.
It's not like they have no experience selling .32acp models.........they certainly do.
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I'm talking modern made pocket pistols, not some .32 made 100 years ago that's been out of production since WW2.
 
The very early Beretta Tomcat also had a problem with the firing pin ejecting when you fired. Happened to a friend of mine and that was the very first recall.
 
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