Rugers next new product

[Grey54956]

Ruger is going to sell the heck out of the LCP Max. It's an easily pocketable .380 pistol with nearly double the capacity of its competitions' offerings. It's going to sell like hotcakes.

The Max-9 looks absolutely gigantic next to the LCP Max.

Time to buy Ruger stock.

 

[danez71]

Because of that lack of offering .32's you can't say the market doesn't buy them in enough quantities because the selection is garbage.

I hear'ya.

Some people were adamant that there wasn't a market for a 9mm PCC and would argue all day long and cite the PC9 as proof there isn't a market.

They argued that all the way until Ruger came out with the highly successful 9mm PCC.

The market is different now. Some don't want to see that.

Built it and they will buy it.

 

[Grey54956]

Regarding .32, the problem has never been the size of the round. It's the semi-rimmed case.

The rim of the case can cause rim-lock and other issues. The magazines have to be more carefully designed and loaded than with the rimless .380. the .25 ACP has a similar semi-rimmed design and similar issues.

The .32 would actually do well in a small, snub revolver. Most revolver cartridges today are based upon dual-purpose handgun/levergun cartridge designs. Revolvers don't usually have barrels long enough to efficiently use the powder in these rounds, and performance is generally vastly better out of carbine length barrels.

 

[JR24]

Ruger is going to sell the heck out of the LCP Max. It's an easily pocketable .380 pistol with nearly double the capacity of its competitions' offerings. It's going to sell like hotcakes.

The Max-9 looks absolutely gigantic next to the LCP Max.

Time to buy Ruger stock.

I don't much care for .380s or pocket guns.

But I'm fairly interested. There are occasions when I have wanted to quick pocket carry a gun and my LCR is a bit big.

 

[twarr1]

Im a little disappointed, hoping for a future classic, something in the heritage of the 10-22, Mini-14/30, Blackhawk. But I admit I was expecting yet another poly-gun in the crowded “Wondergun” jungle.
My late wife used to say we’re a Ruger family. It’s true. But I won’t be buying the new 380.

 

[Pat Riot]

I was hoping it was going to be something cool or innovative, not another samey-same whiz-bang that gets some unimaginative corporate type a corner office for adding extra brown sugar to the same old oatmeal.

 

[DTL]

This will be a profitable addition to the lie-up. Micro 9's are great, but many can't handle the recoil well, and 12 rounds surely increases a .380's defensive use. This and very good ammo advances are two more reasons to put an end to the .380 bashing. I will look to sell my LCP II when a Gripsense laser is available for this model.

 

[John_R]

I hear'ya.

Some people were adamant that there wasn't a market for a 9mm PCC and would argue all day long and cite the PC9 as proof there isn't a market.

They argued that all the way until Ruger came out with the highly successful 9mm PCC.

The market is different now. Some don't want to see that.

Built it and they will buy it.

The Ruger 57 is another example. What market research told them, "The world wants a 5.7x28 handgun!"? I'm almost tempted to buy one only because people seem to think the P89X in .30 Luger has some mystique. It'll be that, "Remember when Ruger made the 57 for a few years but stopped because no one could get the ammo?" gun.

 

[Hasaf]

The Ruger 57 is another example. What market research told them, "The world wants a 5.7x28 handgun!"? I'm almost tempted to buy one only because people seem to think the P89X in .30 Luger has some mystique. It'll be that, "Remember when Ruger made the 57 for a few years but stopped because no one could get the ammo?" gun.

Seriously, when they come out with a "compact" version, I think I will get one. Of course, that depends on the current model being at least moderately successful.

As far as the "big reveal," I am a fan of the 380. It is my current everyday carry and has been since I carried my 380 Government Model in the 80s'. My current regular carry pistol is my Browning 1911-380, not a compact 380 by any means.

That said, this new pistol leaves me cold. I didn't like the "safety trigger" when Glock began promoting it and I still don't. Yes, I realize that it is the dominant design at this time. I suspect more due to production cost than anything else. Yes, I have a Glock, I just don't like it. I do understand the desire for a "nothing but to pull the trigger" simplified training. That can be done with DA/SA and DAO much better than the "safety-trigger."

 

[TarDevil]

This will be a profitable addition to the lie-up. Micro 9's are great, but many can't handle the recoil wel

Yes, this will sell. I doubt recoil will be much better than, say, the LC9s.
Though I think this is a good gun for Ruger's product line it won't send me running to the gun shop. I have no problem pocket carrying my LC9s and I'm more confident with 9mm.

 

[DTL]

I have a LCPII for those cargo shorts running around town summer use, but feel better with my Beretta APX Carry 9mm when I'm dressed for it.

 

[FAS1]

LCP Max... whatever Ruger. IDK who was asking for this, but you know what? If I want a .380 that is small and holds 10 or more rounds, I'd rather buy the Bersa Thunder Plus. But hey, you're Ruger! There will always be people to buy your guns no matter what because... RUGER!

I doubt that Bersa will fit many pockets. I don't own any Bersa guns and the only Rugers I own are .22. It even looks like a better option for it's intended customer (pocket carry) than any of the latest micro 9's.

 

[dogtown tom]

Their 3032 Tomcat is a dumpster fire in terms of the frame cracking. That's something I wouldn't pay money for.

You asked for a reputable manufacturer in the USA and I gave you one, yet you still find fault.

I'm talking modern made pocket pistols, not some .32 made 100 years ago that's been out of production since WW2.

Again, I beg you to think why that is. I'll repeat the secret that only a few know. ........THEY. DON'T. SELL. If they did those companies would continue to churn out .32acps because they enjoy making a buck.

Blaming current manufacturers for not fixing all the design and production faults you complain about.....that's valid, but .32acp's aren't the only pistols with those faults.
Saying "gun makers are basing the "lack of demand" off bad numbers by three companies who make relatively unspectacular or straight up flawed .32 automatics"........ignores decades of experience in what sells and what doesn't sell. It's flat out wrong. Glock, Sig, Ruger, etc don't base their marketing decision on what KelTec, NAA or Seecamp make or don't make.....those three are inconsequential compared to Glock, S&W, Ruger, Sig.....they could not matter less.

You blame manufacturers for the dearth of .32acp models and for the lack of quality .32acp models. If a manufacturer were to produce a quality .32acp model......like the Beretta 81 you own, what would be the point? Who would pay two -three times as much for the Beretta 81? A pistol that didn't come close to the sales of the 84 (the same gun in .380).....very few. Thats called a hint. When you make two identical guns, in different calibers, one caliber sells ten times as many as the other.........why on earth continue to make the other? Its not a sound business decision. Once smaller, lighter 9x19 pistols came on the market........the Beretta 84 died quickly.

When KelTec introduced the P32 in 1999 they sold like crazy....until KT introduced the P3AT, causing sales of the P32 to crash. The market spoke.
The P3AT was a hot seller until 2008 when Ruger came out with a better pistol.......and P3AT sales plummeted. The market spoke.

What do you think the market said?

 

[crestoncowboy]

The Ruger 57 is another example. What market research told them,

Back when we played this guessing game and the gun was the the Ruger 5.7 I said the same thing. I like the 5.7. Ive said that on here since I bought an early FN....but What the heck. I have two FN and even I think the caliber is a relative failure. Yes its stronger than a 22. But is it a dollar a round vs 4 cents stronger? Idk. Im also a reloader. But the 5.7 is almost as hard to reload as a 22 LR. Lol. Only Two brands of ammo are readily available after 15 years. I have to wonder why. Could they possibly sell enough of a niche caliber to cover manufacturing and R and D.

We have people asking if 40 is dead because a few companies dropped it. Same for the 10mm for years. Both were/are exponentially more popular than the 5.7.


Maybe next new Ruger will have hardwood and bluing......who knows.

 

[John_R]

Maybe next new Ruger will have hardwood and bluing......who knows.

Now I'm interested!

 

[BlueHeelerFl]

Maybe next new Ruger will have hardwood and bluing......who knows.

Eventually they will when the Marlins hit the market

 

[crestoncowboy]

Eventually they will when the Marlins hit the market

Maybe. And I hope so. I like Ruger. I liked some Marlins. But for how long would they be profitable. Marlin didn't go broke because they were selling more leverguns than they could even make. I see people whining about the 39. "Bring it back they say" "id buy one" they say.

Marlin made the 39 up until at least 2017. If you wasnt willing to pay for one in 2015 .....what makes them think they would in 2021. If they bring it back it won't sell for 89 bucks like it did when you was a teen......

And people tend to still think of Ruger as a cheaper more affordable brand. But their nice blued and wood guns really aren't that cheap. Price a number 1. Or look at Ruger revolvers prices compared to Smith. They aren't exactly the poor man's model 29/ 617 or whatever. They are pretty close the same price.

Im afraid that all these people squawking about "bring back the xxxxxx" would just balk at the current price.

But im a sucker for hardwood and bluing. So im still hoping

I hope they sell millions of this "new " offering. But it looks a lot like most every other pocket gun to me. Lol

 

[Milt1]

Why does a manufacturer make a product that eliminates a huge number of buyers right off the bat? I would have been interested in the new offering if Ruger supplied it with a manual safety. I make no apologies I like manual safeties and won't buy a semi-auto without one!

 

[crestoncowboy]

I make no apologies I like manual safeties and won't buy a semi-auto without one!

I carry a Glock. Also have a few others with no safety. Don't want a safety unless I have a SAO.

But for a "pocket gun" I believe I would have to side with you on the safety.

Personally I'm a big tall guy and any gun smaller than a Glock 26 or similar gun just feels too small. I don't shoot them as well. So it doesn't matter to me. And I carry my compact guns IWB. But I would be pretty firmly against a gun in my pocket with no safety.

Just my .02. And again.. I hope they sell millions. But they won't to me.

 

[kcofohio]

The LCP Max looks to still be hammer fired, not stiker. I like how they have the front night sights I still carry a LCP with the longer trigger pull. I would be tempted to check one out.

 

[FAS1]

But I would be pretty firmly against a gun in my pocket with no safety.

Just my .02. And again.. I hope they sell millions. But they won't to me.

 

[TTv2]

Regarding .32, the problem has never been the size of the round. It's the semi-rimmed case.

The rim of the case can cause rim-lock and other issues. The magazines have to be more carefully designed and loaded than with the rimless .380. the .25 ACP has a similar semi-rimmed design and similar issues.

The .32 would actually do well in a small, snub revolver. Most revolver cartridges today are based upon dual-purpose handgun/levergun cartridge designs. Revolvers don't usually have barrels long enough to efficiently use the powder in these rounds, and performance is generally vastly better out of carbine length barrels.

While I disagree about the size of .32 being the issue (that's absolutely the issue) I will agree about the rimlock issues that can come from rimmed/semi-rimmed cases, I've had that situation happen in a .25 where I didn't load the mag properly, but now whenever I'm doing .25 or .32 ACP I pay more attention when loading mags, thus the issue can be avoided. That said, it's one reason I do like .32 NAA because it is a bottlenecked .380 and is rimless. That cartridge seems doomed tho, so the best I and others can hope for is for .32 ACP to get some support.

 

[dranrab]

This was a great big yawn. I would have been more impressed if Ruger had invested the time in building the LCP 2 Lite Rack correctly.

 

[twarr1]

Yes, I have a Glock, I just don't like it.

I realize you’re talking about the ‘safety’ trigger, but still, i don’t believe I’ve ever read or heard those words from a Glock owner.

 

[twarr1]

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