Rules for a Gunfight
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WayneConrad
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Be elsewhere (avoid bars, shady places after dark, etc.). Encourage in yourself a gentle character that does not bring out the "fight" in others. At the same time, do not become a "victim" phenotype that will draw trouble to you.
If unable, then those other rules come into play.
If unable, then those other rules come into play.
ZombieHunter
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"If you're in a fair fight, you're doing something wrong."
theotherwaldo
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Rule #1: If there's a fight, be somewhere else.
Rule #2: If you can't be somewhere else, be as prepared as possible.
Rule #3: Where-ever possible, take the initiative: get the best escape route, cover, position, etc. Do first, then keep doing. Don't get done to.
Rule #4: Know when to stop, and when to shut up.
Rule #2: If you can't be somewhere else, be as prepared as possible.
Rule #3: Where-ever possible, take the initiative: get the best escape route, cover, position, etc. Do first, then keep doing. Don't get done to.
Rule #4: Know when to stop, and when to shut up.
FCFC,
This "rule" is either completely false, or badly worded, depending on how you meant it. Since the meaning is unclear, you should start over, should you feel the need to contribute.
Lethal force should be used only if the defender has a reasonable fear of grave bodily injury to himself or another. This can be from any type of attack, as long as it is reasonable to believe the assailant(s) has/have both the ability and the desire to harm you. Multiple assailants? Infirm defender? Reasonable belief the attacker is amped on drugs? Many factors could lead a reasonable person to feel in danger of grave harm, even if no so-called deadly weapon is glimpsed.
John
This "rule" is either completely false, or badly worded, depending on how you meant it. Since the meaning is unclear, you should start over, should you feel the need to contribute.
Lethal force should be used only if the defender has a reasonable fear of grave bodily injury to himself or another. This can be from any type of attack, as long as it is reasonable to believe the assailant(s) has/have both the ability and the desire to harm you. Multiple assailants? Infirm defender? Reasonable belief the attacker is amped on drugs? Many factors could lead a reasonable person to feel in danger of grave harm, even if no so-called deadly weapon is glimpsed.
John
makarovnik
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Actually rule # 5.5 is pretty accurate in most cases.
TexasSkyhawk
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No it's not.
Jeff
stevereno1
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#1 Stay out of a gunfight.
#2 Win at all costs.
The end.
#2 Win at all costs.
The end.
husbandofaromanian
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I have managed a retail store in an inner city location for many years. I have stopped two armed robberies simply by giving off body language that I was ready to draw. Criminals like to feel out their victims to see if they are going to be easy.
ColinthePilot
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1. avoid the situation
2. attempt to deescalate the situation
3. bring a rifle
4. shoot to kill
If you do end up shooting, when the cops get there, never admit any guilt. Get your lawyer there, pronto. Stop talking, but if you feel compelled to speak, avoid words like "sorry," or any other words that could be construed to be admitting guilt. You are the innocent victim who could fight back. Don't let anyone other than a jury of your peers tell you otherwise.
2. attempt to deescalate the situation
3. bring a rifle
4. shoot to kill
If you do end up shooting, when the cops get there, never admit any guilt. Get your lawyer there, pronto. Stop talking, but if you feel compelled to speak, avoid words like "sorry," or any other words that could be construed to be admitting guilt. You are the innocent victim who could fight back. Don't let anyone other than a jury of your peers tell you otherwise.
justin 561
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I assume you're talking about this:
http://www.snopes.com/photos/gruesome/kunsan.asp
The story mentions nobody being attacked with a knife in a gun fight nor does it mention anything about a gun fight. If you read the article, and know a little something about hip hop/rap, you will notice "SSGT Michael Jones" AKA Mike Jones, the rapper. The phone number provided was "(281) 330-8004" Which is mentioned in one of his songs. I was clearly a hoax about a service man. This story only points of the rule of: "Don't forget to bring your knife to a knife fight.
Double Naught Spy
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All these comments on fairness and yet we seem to often get bent out of shape when somebody shoots somebody in the back - LOL!
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Igloodude
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Scanr said:
I like this.
I live a pretty peaceful life, haven't been in a fight since high school and very rarely have to spend any effort avoiding one. I figure that if I ever do have to pull a trigger to defend myself, when the dust settles and the police arrive I'm at the very least going to have a bad case of the shakes, and might well be puking my guts out.
They pressure me into making a statement, it's going to look pretty much like this in their notebook:"
"Jeff (TexasSkyHawk) and I see some things from very different viewpoints, but he, like many on the board, has a background in law enforcement.
Like many of the moderators. Anyone who doubts there are multiple reasons any reasonable person could feel in fear for his life even without glimpsing a weapon, feel free to PM Johnny Guest, Coronach, Jeff White, Matt G, or 4v50 Gary- all of whom are current or former peace officers. Until then, please stop giving bad advice.
IF you are in fear for your life, and IF you believe the person or persons who confront have the ability to inflict serious injury to you or others, defensive (potentially) lethal force may be called for, especially if you cannot reasonably retreat (leave). I have mentioned some of these, including physical infirmity on the part of the defender.
A close friend of mine is missing the outer part of the vertebra from several inches of his upper spine. A hard blow there could kill or paralyze him. He is fully prepared to use lethal force if attacked by even empty hands, and I believe this is a reasonable choice. I am certain, presented with the facts, any jury would agree.
If you were facing multiple attackers (disparity of force), lethal force might again be called for, even without visible weapons held by the attackers. If a small person was facing a very large person or any defender was facing a person known to be an expert fighter or who appeared to be heavily influenced by certain drugs, lethal force might be called for.
Once again, if a reasonable person would be in fear for his life, and (depending on state) the defender cannot reasonably retreat, lethal force may be called for.
What is a lethal weapon? A lethal weapon is anything that can be used to kill or seriously injure you. Anything can apply- brick, tool, car, you name it. Skilled fists or feet can be lethal. Prior knowledge of a threat counts when talking to the police, and it counts in court. If anyone still feels the need to contest this, I suggest you start a dedicated thread in Tactics.
Like many of the moderators. Anyone who doubts there are multiple reasons any reasonable person could feel in fear for his life even without glimpsing a weapon, feel free to PM Johnny Guest, Coronach, Jeff White, Matt G, or 4v50 Gary- all of whom are current or former peace officers. Until then, please stop giving bad advice.
IF you are in fear for your life, and IF you believe the person or persons who confront have the ability to inflict serious injury to you or others, defensive (potentially) lethal force may be called for, especially if you cannot reasonably retreat (leave). I have mentioned some of these, including physical infirmity on the part of the defender.
A close friend of mine is missing the outer part of the vertebra from several inches of his upper spine. A hard blow there could kill or paralyze him. He is fully prepared to use lethal force if attacked by even empty hands, and I believe this is a reasonable choice. I am certain, presented with the facts, any jury would agree.
If you were facing multiple attackers (disparity of force), lethal force might again be called for, even without visible weapons held by the attackers. If a small person was facing a very large person or any defender was facing a person known to be an expert fighter or who appeared to be heavily influenced by certain drugs, lethal force might be called for.
Once again, if a reasonable person would be in fear for his life, and (depending on state) the defender cannot reasonably retreat, lethal force may be called for.
What is a lethal weapon? A lethal weapon is anything that can be used to kill or seriously injure you. Anything can apply- brick, tool, car, you name it. Skilled fists or feet can be lethal. Prior knowledge of a threat counts when talking to the police, and it counts in court. If anyone still feels the need to contest this, I suggest you start a dedicated thread in Tactics.
Grayrock
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Double Naught Spy- you are SO CLOSE. #shooter, Zombie Hunter, Geezer with Guns and Critter all came close. If you plan to live, THERE ARE NO RULES.
yeti
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I can 'war game' several scenarios where back shooting would seem perfectly justified, in my mind. In general, shooting someone in the back, would be seen as shooting someone retreating from the fight, the law tends to look unkindly on shooting someone that has left the fight.
GhostlyKarliion
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absoultely not, on both statements.
I'll be uncomfortable carrying an effective arm before I will be comfortable carrying a proven uneffective one.
'vast majority' means nothing when the one time that presentation doesn't work. simply put, if you are going to carry a gun then you better be ready to use it to defend yourself, not just show it off and hope the BG leavs you alone.
If you have to empty your gun into the BG, reload, empty it again, reload again, and empty it a third time for any hope of putting enough firepower on the target to stop it, then you are preparing for suicide by BG.
.25 acp won't go through some leather jackets, let alone put down a person.
the .25 acp you will carry will get you killed in short order.
the mininum SD round, imo, is .380, and then only if you are using good quality self defense ammo.
if you want to scare the BG, carry a cop or a dog, if you arent going to use the gun then leave it at home, period.
Double Naught Spy
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We are not talking about somebody who has left the fight, gone home, and we track them down and shoot them in the back. We are talking about somebody who happens to not be facing the good guy shooter during the fight and gets shot in the back. Maybe the bad guy is just moving to a better position of cover (retreating to cover). Just because the bad guy is moving away from you does not mean he is out of the fight or has left the fight. It just means he is moving away from you during the fight.
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