USMC Rules for Fighting

[280PLUS]

gee,,,

sorry if i ruffled any feathers but you're talking about a good natured ribbing between services

i'm a navy vet and i thought it was quite funny, even though the navy gets it too,,,you forgot to mention oh, say,,,pearl harbor e.g. or a little ship known as the USS Cole

i don't need anyone to tell me that men and women in ALL branches of the armed forces have made the ultimate sacrifice for this country and are still willing to do so today

as for pont du hoc,,,i happened to have worked (20 years or so ago) for an ex 5th ranger who actually climbed those cliffs and survived, there wasn't many of those,,, i think 300 out of 3000 or was it 600 out of 6000, i don't remember

10%,,,THAT i remember

through his tales i could tell you stories of that climb you'll never find anywhere else,

i know plenty enough about pont du hoc - first hand info straight from someone who was there and i have always had great respect for this man, rest assured, and he had respect for me and the fact that i was a vet also, he didn't care if i was navy,,,a vet is a vet, to ALL vets.

some of the lessons i learned from him still guide my actions today

in my family i have (had) a WWII army vet who fought in places like new guinea, would never talk about it, hated the japanese till his dying day

a step grandad Navy vet that also fought the japanese in the pacific

another army vet that served during the korean occupation but not in country,

ANOTHER army vet who served in nam and earned at least 2 bronze stars, that i know of,

myself a 5 year navy vet who did 2 - 9 month tours in the western and southern pacific and sweat his butt off in the engineroom of a destroyer in and around places like the equator

now MY son will be heading off to Air force boot camp april 13th, last i heard

thats 5 vets with another on the way and soon 5 consecutive generations of my family will have served this country proudly in uniform, both in peace and wartime.

my great grandfather (an Italian immigrant) allowed a spanish american war KIA to be buried in our family plot

and darned if me and my uncles don't find time to bust each others chops over which branch is "the best"

so i think, if my ex Marine Lt viet nam vet friend wants to send me a little yay rah rah Marines type JOKE and poke a little fun at the other services he is more than welcome to do so and i'm happy to post it here for those that can appreciate it.

so the best i can say in this situation is "lighten up francis"

other than that,,,have a nice day...

 

[XLMiguel]

MARINE = MY A$$ Rides In Navy Equipment

With sincere condolences & tongue deeply in cheek to Squids & Jarheads alike from an old Leg who wishes both of 'em still worked right.

We all salute the same flag, right?

BTW, no Marine goes thirsty around my house, thx for loking out for my uncle in Tehran (`79-80`) and my nephew in Bagdad in '90.

 

[fivepaknh]

dzrtram

I’m with you 110% on this. I understand there’ll always be inter-service rivalry, but the Marines always seem to take it a step further. They’ve made disrespecting other services a way of life.

 

[280PLUS]

ever notice,,,

that theres always somebody that just doesn't get it,,,



booo, bad Marines,,,stop picking on the other services



oo,,oo,,i know, how about some ribbing aimed at the marines

eg.

do you know how the term "dumb jarhead" came about?

well, back in the days of wooden ships (supposedly) if you were over 6" tall you became a Marine, any shorter and you were made a sailor, well, due to the fact that they were so tall Marines were always banging their heads on something on the ship and hence the word "jarhead" because they were always "jarring" their heads.

(now thats straight from the boys on board a little ship called the USS Constitution)

the word "dumb" was later added when it became obvious that Marines were too DUMB to DUCK!

ok??

everybody feel better now??

 

[Bruce H]

Couple of the above must be Coast Guard.

 

[280PLUS]

bruce said,,,

"Couple of the above must be Coast Guard."

uh ohhh, now the worms are REALLY starting to get out of the can...

 

[ninjaj448]

Anyone who is or has been in any branch of the U.S. military has our respect...and can expect the inter-service ribbings just as we do. After all we have to be fair...not everyone can be a Marine!

 

[280PLUS]

oh,,,

i want to thank rtfm for the long comprehensive list he put up for us,,,

i dont want his efforts to be overshadowed, i personally appreciate it

i had 2 reasons for posting this thread

1. the first part had valuable advice tucked in there, regardless of who or what branch claims credit for it.

2. cause i thought the rest was a good laugh

i disrespect noone, active duty,,,vet

or those who have never served

 

[Mark Tyson]

hey’ve made disrespecting other services a way of life.

Excuse me, but everybody engages in "my team's better than you're team". Everybody. By the way, the coast guard does a lot of hazardous real world ops too.

 

[280PLUS]

uh ooohhhh,,,

time to change nomex undies,,,cause here we go again!!



youknow,,,i HAVE been wondering where the coast guard has been through all this,,,

here they are now,,,

 

[DorGunR]

Do you know why you must be over 6 feet tall to join the Coast Guard???


Because if your boat sinks, you can wade ashore.

 

[Mark Tyson]

For the record, I'm not in the coast guard; I was in the army.

This is for you, 280plus:

 

[DorGunR]

I was also in the Army, but I want to post this in honor of the Marines 228 birthday......................HAPPY BIRTHDAY......JARHEADS.

10 November 2003
A MESSAGE FROM THE COMMANDANT OF THE MARINE CORPS

This year we celebrate the 228th anniversary of the founding of our Corps. As always, it is an occasion for remembrance, proud traditions, and joyful camaraderie. The events of the past year have called for great sacrifices from many Marines and their families. While the Global War on Terrorism will continue to demand the best from each of us, it is important that we join with our fellow Marines, families and friends to celebrate our Corps' special culture and unique warrior ethos.

This past year, Marines demonstrated once again that they are the most important entity on any battlefield. Lethal weapons and advanced technologies provide us unique advantages, but educated warriors ultimately determine victory in combat not machines. During Operations IRAQI FREEDOM and ENDURING FREEDOM, our small unit leaders' skills, adaptability and flexibility produced victory on uncertain and at times chaotic battlefields. We proved once again the power of integrated ground-air-logistics teams as well as the importance of every Marine being first and foremost a rifleman.

Our special spirit is evident not only in battle; it is evident in the faithful performance of demanding duties by countless Marines at home and abroad. Every Marine makes a vital contribution to the ability of our Corps to project and sustain credible combat power. Moreover, the willingness and readiness of all Marines to accept and accomplish any mission is central to our success and a hallmark of our warrior ethos.

The culture that defines the Marine Corps is nurtured by our traditions. In celebrating our heritage, we strengthen the linkages to a glorious history and recommit ourselves to upholding the standards and values given to us by past generations.

In commemorating our 228th anniversary, remain true to the spirit of the occasion. Reflect on our fallen with deep respect, observe our traditions with justifiable pride, take care of one another, and of course, celebrate those special bonds that exist among United States Marines.

Happy Birthday Marines, Semper Fidelis, and keep attacking!

M. W. Hagee
General, U.S. Marine Corps

 

[GySgt]

I’m with you 110% on this. I understand there’ll always be inter-service rivalry, but the Marines always seem to take it a step further. They’ve made disrespecting other services a way of life.

fivepaknh....Sounds to me like a Marine got the best of you somehow and you still have a chip on your shoulder about it. Let it go man, let it go

And DorDunR.....Thanks for the Birthday wish!!! Y'all lock up your wives and daughters Monday, 'cause the real men are coming out to play !!!

Semper Fi, GySgt

 

[280PLUS]

thanx,,,mark

i'm running for the marsmallows now!!

so far the nomex is holding up,,,

anyone need a cold one? soda, coffee?

wine cooler?

if you need something with a little more kick, just let me know,,,

thats what i want to see,,,ermey toast a marshmallow with a flame thrower,,,

 

[GySgt]

Hey, while we're on this amusing subject....I saw a really funny set of definitions a few years back about our Armed Services and their ways of handling the order to "Secure a building" Does anyone have access to that and if you do, could you post it? It was hilarious and picked on my Beloved Corps as much, if not more than the other Services.

Thanks, GySgt

 

[Teufelhunden]

Ask the Marines who pulled their butts out of the Chosun reservoir when they were about to be wiped out by the Chinks.

It was Chesty Puller and his Marines who set the pace at Chosin....not the Army. If you were there, you have my respect, but let's be honest.....The Army abandoned their functioning weapons (including crew served) and left their dead where they fell. The Marines carried ALL theirs out and destroyed any weapons they couldn't move, as they fought their way South. It's ok to have pride in your outfit, but it's not a good idea to get carried away by it. Completely surrounded, Chesty remarked to the press that the Marines had the Communists right where they wanted them, as they could shoot in any direction and kill the SOB's

Thanks for getting that fixed before I got to it Gunny...


dzrtram

I find 280's remarks extremely offensive. I see no humor in it, especially at this time when U.S. Army soldiers are dying in Iraq where the army has done the vast majority of the work, and also in Afghanistan. While the army stays and fights, the marines go home and brag about how tough they are. Those weren't marines who jumped out of airplanes in the mountains of Afghanistan, and those aren't marines dying in Iraq right now, even as we write these ignorant messages.

Different missions, different branches dzr. As you would know given your service, my Marine Corps is not a sustainment force. We are neither equipped nor trained to occupy an area we've taken and 'win the hearts and minds'. Everytime some idiot tries to make us an occupation force, bad things happen. You see, as a result of our overly agressive nature, Marines have a bad tendency to kill a lot of people, even when we're just supposed to be feeding them. It's something weird about us dumb Marines; we just can't get our limited mental facilities wrapped around the concept of not returning fire or not firing upon someone who aims a weapon at us simply because we've been told we're in a 'secured' area. See previous references to Somalia...

As a result of this behavior, the natives have a hard time letting their hearts and minds be won. Putting the Army in place, which has many many more soldiers, and many many more tanks, and many many more 5-tons carrying rice in place simply makes sense, and that has been their declared role after many offensive actions.

If you continue to insist that there is simply no difference between the Army and my Marine Corps, I would ask you why all the 'Big Arrows'â„¢ on battle maps found here (USA Today flash map) and here (global security.org) seem to have the bulk of the Army racing PAST all the fighting to get to Baghdad (The Big Prize) while the Marines and Brits get left to capture pretty much everything along the way (places such as Umm Qasr, Basrah, Nasiriyah, Amarah, Kut) to Baghdad.

I'm not saying soldiers are worthless--they're simply not Marines. Give me a soldier and a Marine with the exact same schools in their SRB's, and I'll still take the Marine at my side. The reason is simple: The Army doesn't teach it's soldiers to love the Army and believe that they are the most destructive force on Earth. The Marines do. Sure, some of it is hubris, but that mindset is what allows Marines to win, not their technical knowledge. As was discussed in a nother thread recently, the Army is starting to realise that training non-infantry soldiers to consider themselves technicians before fighters is a bad idea. The Marine Corps has stuck with its 'Every Marine a rifleman' method, and it has paid off.

You're entitled to your opinion, and I to mine. History and the world have passed their judgement on our armed forces, and they have been determined to be the best in existance. Bickering over who does mission 'X' the best is a waste of time since mission 'X' has always been a Marine role, and misssion 'Z' an Army one. You might as well compare the Army and the Navy.

-Teuf

 

[Teufelhunden]

Hey, while we're on this amusing subject....I saw a really funny set of definitions a few years back about our Armed Services and their ways of handling the order to "Secure a building" Does anyone have access to that and if you do, could you post it? It was hilarious and picked on my Beloved Corps as much, if not more than the other Services.

This is the only one I've got Gunny:

To secure a building:

To the Marines, attack and destroy it;
To the Army means seize and protect it;
To the Navy, turn off the lights and lock the door;
To the Air Force, sign a three-year lease with option to buy.

Semper Fi.

-Teuf

 

[Deepdiver]

Like Mike in VA said, - I always enjoy the rivalry between the services, because I know that during a sh$%storm, they always stand together.

No reason to get your undies in a bunch over a few jibes.

no Marine goes thirsty around my house

same holds true in my house, and, despite the Navy traditions in my family, I might even let my daughter marry a Marine (except she is dating an USAF officer - just to piss me off, I think) !!

 

[OEF_VET]

US ARMY - Uncle Sam Ain't Released Me Yet

YMRA SU - Yes, My Retarded A$$ Signed Up

USAF - yoU Sure Are Foolish

NAVY - Never Again Volunteer Yourself

USMC - Uncle Sam's Misguided Children

MARINE - My A$$ Rides In Navy Equipment
or
MARINE - My A$$ Really Is Navy Equipment

All joking aside, no matter what branch of service a person was in, they served, and that's all that matters to me. Obviously there will always be inter-service rivalry, but we all understand there isn't really any harm meant in it, it's just our way of messing with each other.

Also, Monday may be the Corps' birthday, but remember, Tuesday is Veterans Day. To all my fellow vets, Thank You one and all for your service. To all you non-veterans, find a vet and thank him or her this Tuesday. If not for them, you wouldn't be enjoying the way of life you do enjoy.

Frank

P.S. I always thought the job of the Coast Guard was to ferry sailors back and forth between their ships and the pier.

 

[Teufelhunden]

US ARMY - Uncle Sam Ain't Released Me Yet

Can't forget:

Muscles Are Required Intelligence Not Essential.



-Teuf

 

[GySgt]

Thanks Devil Dog !!!

Semper Fi, GySgt

 

[fivepaknh]

fivepaknh....Sounds to me like a Marine got the best of you somehow and you still have a chip on your shoulder about it. Let it go man, let it go

No, that never happened. I primarily hang out at www.military.com and it gets old.

 

[moa]

IIRC, it was the US Coast Guard that manned all the smaller landing craft for the Army during WWII in neat places such as the invasion of Normandy.

Also, do not forget the US Merchant Marines (part of the US Maritime Commission) whom manned many of the merchant ships of WWII, and took casualities in various campaigns such as the Battle Of the Atlantic againts more than 700 or so Nazi U-Boats, surface raiders, and Q ships (large merchant ships the Nazi's turned into stealth heavy gun cruisers), the Italian Navy and both German and Italian Air forces.

I think something like 36,000 Allied seaman died during WWII.

 

[Delmar]

I truly love all this banter. Just got back from my son's basic training graduation at Ft Sill. We had a really long talk about what he is doing and where he is going-AIT at Ft Sam Houston to be a medical corpsman, and possibly to jump school at Ft Benning.

My family goes back 140 years of military service to the country that we can document. Primarily Army, but with some exceptions and unique opportunities-my Grandfather was in the 2nd Infantry Division in WWI, which was a combination Army-Marine outfit commanded by a Marine. He used to talk about the good natured ribbing between them, but when it came time to do the job, it got done.

Shock troops? Well, three members of the family, including myself in the 101st Airborne, as well as two in the 82nd. A couple in the Air Force, one in the Marines and one in the Navy. So far, no Coasties but my youngest son hasn't made up his mind yet.

Family reunions are very entertaining to say the least, especially when the booze starts flowing and the ribbing begins, but there is an abiding respect in my clan which cuts across all of the boundaries. Funny, if its not a jar head pickin on a dog face, its the 101 hounding on the 82nd-then it breaks out into your MOS and where you were and what you did! Wouldn't trade it for anything or everything.