Run on ammunition:

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alsaqr said:
Ammunition makers are not storing vast quantities of ammunition in anticipation of US governmant purchases. That is not how IDIQ works.
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Yeah, I knew I should have had more coffee before I posted that. :uhoh:

One thing I do worry about though is reloading supplies. Primers are the critical component, followed by powder. Brass is reusable and bullets can be cast. But primers and powder seem be going to factory ammo.

Independent bullet makers need reloaders buying bullets to stay in business. MBC is buying new equipment, cash up front, to keep up with current demand, but people can only buy so many bullets before the lack of primer and powder turns them into little pieces of scrap lead. Then they stop buying and the folks that ramped up their capital investment suddenly have cash flow problems.
 
JVaughn said:
Copy that good buddy, I miss shooting my lever action. I'm unaware of any semi-auto 30-30 out there. What gives?
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I believe remington made one. The model 8 iirc.

Never mind, just looked it up it did not come in 30-30. Sure glad I did not buy the one I saw at the last gun show labeled as such. I would have had to buy some new dies when I figured out the actual chambering.
 
One thing I do worry about though is reloading supplies. Primers are the critical component, followed by powder. Brass is reusable and bullets can be cast. But primers and powder seem be going to factory ammo.
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Popular caliber bullets and primers are almost non-existent. Muzzleloader supplies are getting scarce too. i can't find musket caps for my sidelock.
 
went to walmart today at 815, missed out on the .223 100 round bulk packs. Guy in front grabbed the last two. BUT the cashier was telling me that .22 is showing up regularly lately. Of course its sells out the same day it comes in. But its coming in. jim
 
Went to Academy today. They had .223 in stock. I bought a box of 7.62 X 39 for $5.99. They are still limiting purchases to one box per caliber per day, 3 calibers maximum.
 
I was at the rural Walmart in Broken Arrow today. They had a few boxes of 270, one box of 25-06, Several 7mm and a few 7mm mag. They also had 300 Win Mag and 300 WSSM.They had a few 12,20 ga and some 410 slug stuff(I assume for the Judges and what have you). No pistol ammo, rimfire or popular center fire stuff though.
 
Our Walley is full of 7mm and nothing else. What is up with that? If I shot a 7mm I would probably get a complex or something!
 
I got a 7mag, but got enough ammo and components to last me for several years.:D love my 7mag! Makes a big boom, and a bigger hole!
 
I bought and restored a Winchester model 70 Sporter in 7mm mag 10 years ago, its never been fired and I never bought any ammo for it, until now. Plenty of 7mm mag in Alaska and all the other long range magnum rounds.
 
I've seen quite a bit of .223 ammo lately. I bought a few boxes about a month ago. I just bought up enough to do some shooting.

I did what any one familiar with how things went in 2008 should have done. I bought ammo before there was any shortage. I bought it when it was cheap in fact. I haven't really "needed" to buy ammo since then although I could have easily shot up all that I have. That's the thing. You just don't know how long it will be before there is more ammo around so that you don't feel like what you have has to last a lifetime.

I didn't buy up a bunch after the panic. I won't be blamed for that. I knew to buy ahead of time. I can't believe other long time gun owners didn't know that too. Heck I bought up ammo before the 2008 election. I'm still stocked up on certain calibers from back then.

Don't get caught with your pants down guys. Pay attention to what's going on and compare that with what has happened in the past. That way you'll know when to buy before there's nothing to buy.

Again I've seen a good bit of .223 lately. What irks me is not being able to get .22. I shoot it every day when I have it to shoot. I have a good supply put back but it wouldn't last that long if I started shooting like I normally shoot. I sometimes shot 3 bricks a week back in about 2010 and 2011. Yeah it gets expensive especially when it's Wolf that you're shooting. I wanted to get to a higher level of accuracy and I did. But I'm probably not there now. Practice makes perfect and there's nothing to use to practice with unless I shoot up my stash and I figure I need to save that just in case.

But I really think things are slowly getting better.
 
All my Walmart had the other day was 3 boxes of 7mm Mag. We can't get much of anything around here.
 
Ammo shortages really depend upon where you live. I've seen everything from continued bone dry shelves to nearly completely stocked except for 22LR. Once again, some LGS/big box stores are better able to keep ammo in stock versus others. You have to do your research, and also sign up for in-stock notification emails for online shopping if you're willing to go that route.
 
I do believe it is slowly getting better, and that there will be no magical sharp threshold when ammo become plentiful; that is, it will continue to slowly get better, with some areas of the country coming back sooner than others.
 
I wonder how many remember 2008.

This has happened before and it will happen again; the same MO will be followed.

In 2008 it was about 8 months before everything really returned to "normal". Based on that, I would expect normal availability of most stuff in free states to return sometime around the fall timeframe. AR stuff is already pretty much back. Ammo and components was the last to return in 2009 and I don't see any reason to expect something different this time.

What we have is a market bubble driven by emotion and unrealistic expectations. What happens to all bubbles? They pop.

End of 2009 to 2012 saw the cheapest AR prices I ever recall seeing. Everyone bought them for up to $3000 in the election rush, then inevitably the demand fell off, and the market and prices bottomed. That isn't good for the industry either. As someone mentioned, sure they are loving it now with the rush, but they can't increase capital investment in greater production capacity, because they will be left holding the bag when the demand inevitably pops. They have to maintain production at a relatively low level to at least try to avoid "feast or famine" roller coaster.

Bottom line, we are our own worst enemy.
 
FOUR minutes...

Got a notification from MidwayUSA. 40 grain Agulia Interceptors were in!!! I got to the site, threw a brick into the cart, prep'd for check-out...

All GONE!!! As I was trying to check out!!! OMG! This is insane! 4 minutes.....
 
@Onward:

I've had the same thing happen.

My advice:

- Make sure you have your credit card info/contact info saved on file with them that way when the email alert comes in, you can check out super quickly
- If you have a smartphone, MidwayUSA has a mobile-friendly website, use your phone to check out right away when the alert notification comes in if you're not near your computer
- Keep a tab open to MidwayUSA on your computer so you can just refresh if you get the alert

Doing all of the above has scored me three ammo orders through them, even in this time of shortage. Good luck!
 
Oh man, dont get me started. I had a lady on the phone ringing up my order" yes we have some 380 sir", "ok i'd like to order some" "ok what is your ..oh no wait..it looks like we just sold out" -as we were talking
 
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Man just hang it up for awhile would be my advice. Ive tried everything, leaving computer on, staying logged in, calling every 5 minutes. Theyre always sold out right after the notifications. Usually just after a minute or two, one of the salesman told me.
 
Jim Mac said:
went to walmart today at 815, missed out on the .223 100 round bulk packs. Guy in front grabbed the last two. BUT the cashier was telling me that .22 is showing up regularly lately. Of course its sells out the same day it comes in. But its coming in. jim
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Ive seen 22 on 6 of the past 7 mornings when i ck wally. I dont shoot it but its startin to show back up.
 
I just read this article from the Daily Caller: http://dailycaller.com/2013/04/25/ammo-maker-ammo-shortage-fueled-by-rumors-and-conjecture/ . People from Hornady and from Remington are commenting on production.

Hornady, a major U.S. ammunition manufacturer, is doing everything it can to meet the high demand for bullets that it says has been “all fueled by rumors and conjecture” and has put pressure on gun stores across the country.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/04/25/a...ueled-by-rumors-and-conjecture/#ixzz2Rt7ICbsa
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Just went to a gun show Saturday where they had as much .223 as you wanted to buy $10/20rnd Federal. I honestly didn't expect to see any. Other tables wanted more, but it was still there in pretty good quantities.
 
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