S&W 617 issues?

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I'm about to get a S&W 617 .22 revolver with a 4" barrel and have read some old postings on different gun sites about quality control issues at S&W. And about "canted barrel" issues in particular.

What's the word here? Does S&W have quality issues? Are there issues with the 617 in particular?
 
I'm about to get a S&W 617 .22 revolver with a 4" barrel and have read some old postings on different gun sites about quality control issues at S&W. And about "canted barrel" issues in particular.

What's the word here? Does S&W have quality issues? Are there issues with the 617 in particular?
I bought my buddy a 4" 617 earlier this year as a retirement gift. It is mechanically excellent, fit and finish were exactly as they should be, and it's an accurate gun.

There were some issues with canted barrels a few years ago, but I haven't heard any recent complaints. There are always lemons produced, so check it over if buying in person.
 
Howdy

First of all, you need to realize that some of us are old guys and prefer the way S&W built revolvers in the pre-MIM/lock days.

Yes, the quality in those days was absolutely better, there is no question about it. It is also undeniably true that modern manufacturing methods, including MIM parts have helped drive the cost out of making S&W revolvers. In other words, if they were still making them the old way, they would cost even more than they do today.

It is a double edged sword.

I have two Smiths made in the current MIM/lock era. I bought this 617-6 used a few years ago. It was made in 2003. Besides being butt ugly (remember, I am an old guy and prefer the elegance of the pre-MIM/lock revolvers), there is nothing mechanically wrong with it.


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I bought this Model 686-6 brand-spanky new last year. It was the first brand-spanky new S&W I had bought in 40 years, almost all my others have been bought used over the years. I bought it for two reasons - 1st, I did not own any L frame Smiths, and 2nd, it was in a local shop and the price was right.

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But when I took the 686 to the range the first time I found I had to crank the rear sight way over to the right in order to get it to print where it was pointing. That is not right, a revolver should print where it is pointing with the rear sight reasonably centered.

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Here is a photo of the yoke of the 686. What we are looking at is a barrel that is canted slightly. Not screwed in perfectly vertically as it should be. This is as far as the yoke will close, because the barrel is canted slightly. In the 'good old days' of pre-MIM/lock revolvers, this never would have made it out of the factory, the barrel would have been screwed in properly.

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There were some issues with canted barrels a few years ago, but I haven't heard any recent complaints. There are always lemons produced, so check it over if buying in person.

Notice I said that I just bought this revolver brand new last year. And as I said earlier, this would never have made it out the door in the old days.




Here is a photo of the yoke of the 617. Not quite perfect, but much better than the 686. Just checked the rear sight of the 617. Almost perfectly centered to keep the gun printing where it is pointed.

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Now, just for the fun of it, here are a couple of photos of the yoke closure on a 32-20 Hand Ejector that shipped in 1916. Sorry for the smudgy vertical line, that is a reflection, not an imperfection. But look at the joint. That is the way they left the factory when S&W was paying close attention to detail. You don't have to go back to 1916 to find this kind of quality, they shipped like this right through the 1970s and 1980s.

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So.......Does the yoke have to snug up as tight as in the old days? Probably not. Are you likely to get a new 617 with a canted barrel? Probably not. But now you know what to look for.

P.S. In recent years it has become obvious that it is less expensive for S&W to cut down on in house inspections and address customer complaints as they come up, rather than shipping perfect (and more carefully inspected) products in the first place.
 
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Interesting.
I have a 686 6" I bought earlier this year brand new and it's the same way; the rear sight is cranked over pretty far to the right to get it to hit right.
My 617 4" I picked up a couple weeks ago is dead nuts perfect on center.
 
My biggest issue with the 617 is that they cost too much. At least until you compair them to the .22 Diamondbacks.
 
Great post by Driftwood, as always with great visuals and good information. My small collection of S&W revolvers contains all guns made before the MIM and lock. Still, the earlier guns are higher quality than the later ones. So the lesson is to inspect the revolver before you purchase or take delivery. I'd add to look carefully at the rifling and barrel crown as I have seen issues in those areas as well, i.e., rough rifling or dings in the crown.
 
my k-22 barrel has a slight cant in the other direction. even though the cylinder will lock up tight, the ejector rod is binding on the catch. i'm going to take it to kent singletary to have the barrel turned.

i already called smith & wesson about it and they said the gun was too old, they no longer made parts for it and, therefore, would not work on it. so, my early fifties revolver is obsolete! i think i'll keep it.

anyway, nice revolver. they are worth the extra cash.

murf
 
I just got a 617 4, everything is straight and tight on it. Shoots like a dream, but the fit and finish is nothing like my 1970s N frame. The trigger is no where close to the N frame either. It is not bad, but not near as light, in single or double action. The double action on the 617 is terrible, the single action is just okay. Still in all, a nice revolver. Chews the center out of the target at 15 yards.
 
Like many, I prefer the older guns. The new ones just aren't the same. That said, the new models are still well made, and Smith and Wesson will take care of you in the unlikely event of an issue with the gun.

The QC issues aren't centered around the 617 or anything, and I wouldn't expect to see any problems. If you do, call S&W and they'll take care of everything. People may have bad things to say about the company, but most agree that their customer service is top notch.
 
I have not heard any rumors about problems with the M617. Instead of listening to people you don't know on the Internet check out the revolver for yourself. If you like it buy it, if not don't. Don't let a rumor cause you to pass on a gun you want.
 
Canted Smith barrels aren't uncommon. My buddy has an older 617 with one. My 1987 686 has a canted barrell....One of my Colt King Cobras has a canted barrel, also.
 
In fact, S&W was so proud of that crane fit that they polished the crane and frame together so the line was almost invisible, then numbered the parts so they would stay together through the rest or the production process. That is why S&W put on what we often call "assembly numbers."

Jim
 
"Instead of listening to people you don't know on the Internet check out the revolver for yourself."

The OP specifically requested such input.

As Driftwood said " ...now you know what to look for."
 
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