S&W Boycott, Now I'm confused..

[another okie]

Any agreement can be rescinded if all the parties to the original agreement agree to rescind it, unless some court has approved it. In that case all the parties have to go to court and tell the court they all agree, and the court rescinds the agreement. I have broken several estate planning trusts this way.

As far as this agreement goes, I think the boycott has been successful. The management that made the agreement is gone. The company was nearly bankrupted. The current management doesn't even admit that the agreement still exists, which just shows you how locked into denial people can be.

We are never going to get everything we want, and I suspect we have gotten all out of S & W we are ever going to get. They are terrified of drawing fire in Congress if they actively seek to end the agreement, and we have all seen that Bush lacks the courage to stand up against the media for the Second Amendment, though he's far better than the alternative.

In any practical terms, the boycott is over and we won.

I'm still not willing to buy a S & W, though there are about four of them I would surely like, but I think those of us who still feel that way need to recognize that you cannot carry on a boycott forever and there are always going to be people unwilling to accept any inconvenience or bar to their wishes no matter the consequences. Let's declare victory and move on. If Hillary is elected, or pretty much any of the Demos except Dean, this agreement will be the least of our problems.

 

[jdmb03]

Well said, okie.

I guess we all have opinions that will or will not affect our thoughts on S&W. This never ending thread will just go back and fourth with "I agree" and "I don't agree".

That being said, I will always support an american company that offers me great products as Smith and Wesson does.

 

[Old Fuff]

Okie: "Any agreement can be rescinded if all the parties to the original agreement agree to rescind it."

Yes indeed, but the anti-gun plaintiffs have never offered to do this. Maybe they will in the future, but the haven’t so far.

Okie: “--- unless some court has approved it. In that case all the parties have to go to court and tell the court they all agree, and the court rescinds the agreement.â€

The agreement is now part of a court order. This is the reason S&W cannot “rescind†the agreement without the approval of the other parties. In addition, not all of the plaintiffs signed “the agreement†and their suits are still pending in some cases.

Okie: “I have broken several estate planning trusts this way.â€

I presume after all the parties agreed to go along with what you wanted. You couldn’t simply say, “I’m out, forget all of this.†If you and I simply agreed to something you might, but not if our “agreement†became a court order – which the S&W Agreement did.

Put simply, it was an out-of-court settlement. When some (not all) of the parties (including the then owners of S&W) signed the Agreement it was presented to the court, which then issued it as an order. If you read the Agreement document you will find a pretty inclusive section on compliance and enforcement. Fortunately the plaintiffs haven’t invoked it.

 

[benewton]

I'm still not buying new, but, I guess, when you think of it, buying late models increases their value, and thus the price and desirability of the new models.

There are situations in which you cannot win, no matter what you do...


As a side comment, old closets are getting cleaned, due to the weather, and, lo and behold, the old packaging for my 4516 shows up from the female controlled portion of the home. (With the STRONG suggestion that it go somewhere else in the male controlled portion of the known universe. She points, I go; we all know how that one works!)

Anyway, looked at the documentation that came with it, since it's been off line since I managed the USPc, and, lo and behold, it came with a fired cartridge.

Which was a 9mm NATO.


There have got to be some good guys over there, but, as I said, sometimes you just can't tie, much less win, and nobody ever said that it was fair. So, for me, no S&W.