S & W M & P Model of 1905 (4th Change) Year of Manufacture

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I have a Smith & Wesson Military & Police Model of 1905 (4th Change) Serial # 604175 that I'm trying to determine what year it was made. It is a .38 S&W Special Cal blued finish with a 6 round fluted cylinder, Checked Walnut Square Butt Grips, and Case Hardened Trigger & Hammer.

Markings are as follows:
Top of barrel: SMITH & WESSON SPRINGFIELD MASS. U.S.A.
PATENTED FEB. 6,06, SEPT.14,09, DEC.29,14
Left side of barrel: SMITH & WESSSON
Right side of barrel: 38 S.&W. SPECIAL CTG
Left side of frame below & to the rear of the cylinder: SMITH & WESSON Circle Logo with TRADE above and MARK below
Right side of frame forward & below the cylinder: MADE IN U.S.A.
Crane marked: 16626
Bottom of grip frame, underside of barrel, and cylinder Serial #: 604175
Rear of hammer stamped: REG. U.S. PAT. OFF.
I've included some pics. Any help will be appreciated. Thanks, Budrow
 

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There is a thread for dating S&W revolvers in the revolver forum, just for future reference.

If the grips are original, and I'd guess they are with that serial, it's from the 1920's. 5388XX shipped in 1926, so yours is later than that, like 1929 maybe? In the thirties, the grips had a large S&W medallion at the top.

Nice looking revolver! I have one just like it from 1917. By the way, there's no sure way to know when it was made, just when it shipped, since that's all the factory kept track of. Getting a letter from the S&W historian will fill in more details, if you want to know more for sure.

Edit to add: S&W started heat-treating the cylinders in 1919, so yours should be just fine with modern standard .38 Special ammunition.
 
Thanks, AZAndy. I picked this up years ago at a PGCA show. It came with a police rig so, I've always figured it was a law enforcement gun. It's a great shooter, very accurate, even in my hands ! (LOL) Do you think I should re-post it under the thread for dating S&W revolvers ?
 
Howdy

Good photos.

The 4th change can be difficult to pin down because they were produced from 1915 until 1942, and Serial Numbers ran from 241,704 to 1,000,000 with 758,296 produced.

As AZAndy stated, the factory did not keep records of when they were made, only when they shipped. A factory letter from the S&W historian will tell you when it shipped, and probably where it was shipped.

You can ask for a letter by following this link. The cost, at least the last time I lettered a Smith, is $50.

https://www.smith-wesson.com/firearm-history-request



The number under the yoke (crane) is an assembly number. It does not mean anything.

Your SN on the butt is the SN of the gun. It should appear in four places: Bottom of the Butt, underside of the barrel, rear of the cylinder, and underside of the extractor star. This last spot is often difficult to see. If the number is the same in all four places, it means the gun shipped with those parts.

That style of grips (Walnut, Square Butt, Round Top without Medallions, was typically put on S&W K frame revolvers about 1920 to 1929.

The shape of the knob at the end of the ejector rod looks a little bit later than the 19 teens to me. Generally, the smiths from that era had a mushroom shaped cap at the end of the ejector rod, like the one on this 38 M&P from 1920.


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The cap on yours is just a little bit larger in diameter than the rod, so there needed to be less of a clearance cut for it under the barrel. Later, S&W did away with the separate cap, the end of the ejector rod itself was knurled. Less parts, and less modifying of the barrel.

The other interesting thing about your 4th Change is the marking on the rear of the hammer.

REG.U.S.PAT.OFF.

It stands for Registered U.S. Patent Office.

This was an attempt by S&W to keep cheap foreign imitations out of the US market. S&W trademarked the case hardened finish on their hammers and triggers, and stamped them so. If you look at the rear of your trigger you should see the same marking. By trademarking their revolvers this way, S&W was able to keep cheap imitations out of the US for a while. Eventually the courts threw it out, and S&W stopped marking them that way. I don't have the data in front of me, but I think they were trademarking their hammers this way in the late 1920s and the 1930s.

Anyway, the closest I can come with my Smiths to your SN is a 4th Change with a SN of 6212XX which shipped in February of 1934.

Yours probably shipped a little bit earlier.

P.S. As carefully as you can, remove the grips. Don't pry them off, undo the screw, and if they don't drop off gently push one off by gently tapping on the screw on the opposite side. See if the grips have been pencil lettered on the underside with your SN. I forget which grip they lettered, so look at the underside of both grips. I'll bet those are the original grips. Look carefully, the pencil probably has faded over the years.

For what it's worth, I never replace nice old grips like that with modern ones. I like to keep my old Smiths as original as possible.
 
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Thanks Driftwood, I checked the rear of the trigger, and sure enough, it has the same marking as the hammer. It's very small but, I'm so dang nearsighted, when I take my glasses off or contacts out, I can see really small stuff up close very well. (Guess I should have been a watch maker !) Also, you were correct about the underside of the grips, the right one is marked in pencil with the same serial as the other 4 places on the revolver. And, I agree, I prefer the original grips on all of my revolvers. I like wood & steel. Not the newer polymer and plastic that my younger shooting buddies take to the range.
 
Thanks Waveski. It one of my favorites. Of course, I don't have a vast collection but, what I do have are "treasurers" to me.
 
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