S&W now to make the "M&P15"

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They used to produce shotties, and they might start again in the future.

Right now, it hardly matters. Most agencies that are in the market for new guns are looking at patrol rifles intead of shotguns. There are various things pushing this trend, but the biggest one is bottom line; running with the assumption that an agency needs a patrol rifle, you can either get a patrol rifle which can do most everything a shotgun can do and fulfill the needs of a patrol rifle, or you can get a shotgun and go without rifle capabilities, or spend the extra scratch to buy and have both.

Most agencies are looking at buying rifles, not shotties. Most agencies already have shotguns, but many/most don't have rifles. There may or may not be a market for replacing the existing shotguns when they wear out (if they are replaced), but the real growth sector is on the rifle end of things. S&W is, for once, looking like they are ahead of the curve. Many agencies that are considering going with patrol rifles are also retiring their shotguns (though, thankfully, not all).

NOTE: I am well aware that the rifle and the shotgun are different tools with different advantages and disadvantages. That horse has been whipped to death. It is also not an integral part of this thread. If you feel the need to argue that "AR-15s can't do everything an 870 can do", please feel free to start a new thread. I will post on it and agree with you. ;) But lets not clutter up this thread.

Mike
 
S&W making rifles.:what: What is the world coming too! Well if S&W can sucessfully make and market a 1911 pistol then they sure can make a decent AR. Though like the early S&W 1911 most of the parts will probably come from other suppliers until S&W is able to gear up manufacturing. The price also seem competive for the police/military market. Actually, unlike another American manufacture, S&W is trying to take maket share away from the European companies that have long dominated police and military sales. While at the same time trying to expand their current civilian product line. Granted some people will never buy their products again, because of the deal with Clinton. At least S&W is trying to make up for it with an active R&D departmet that actually listens to their clients, and is coming up with winners. I hope S&W does well in their new endevors.
 
And lo, the sixth seal was opened. And the sky became as black as sackcloth, and S&W brought forth their own 1911.

And lo, the seventh seal was opened. And S&W brought forth their own AR-15 and the moon became as blood.

I forget what happened next. Something about a pale horse... :p
 
thatguy said:
Among the most famous and successful guns in history are the Single Action Army, the 1911 and the AR15. All originally from Colt and now the most copied and cloned guns around.
Gee. I could have sworn the AR15 came from Armalite.
 
pwrtool45 said:
And lo, the sixth seal was opened. And the sky became as black as sackcloth, and S&W brought forth their own 1911.

And lo, the seventh seal was opened. And S&W brought forth their own AR-15 and the moon became as blood.

I forget what happened next. Something about a pale horse... :p

I'm telling you, if Glock announces a polymer 1911 it's all over.....:evil:
 
I think I might just have to invest in some S&W stock instead of just buying their revolvers:) . I like what it is they are probably trying to do. At least their just not sitting on their heals and letting the gun market fly past them like Winchester has done. I'm glad an American firearms company is doing what the European co.s have done for awhile. Also getting lots of deals with police departments on the AR's will also benefit their civilian market longterm by instilling the "the cops use it, so that's the one I want" idea into consumers heads. Why do you think Colt gets $1200-1300 for an AR when you can get the same or better from Bushmaster or RRA, it's the fact Colt is what the military uses.
 
pwrtool45 said:
And lo, the sixth seal was opened. And the sky became as black as sackcloth, and S&W brought forth their own 1911.

And lo, the seventh seal was opened. And S&W brought forth their own AR-15 and the moon became as blood.

I forget what happened next. Something about a pale horse... :p

Behold a Pale Horse
 
Old Fuff said:
The poor Old Fuff is sitting in his cave blubbering... He always thought the M&P was a revolver... Now his world is turned upside down. :confused:

The King is dead... Long live the King????

They're doing a semi-auto polymer M&P pistol as well -

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TexasSIGman said:
That was a different Smith and Wesson that started that, thank goodness.

The current company is just stuck with it. It would be lawsuit central to un-do that now. Look how long it took Colt to start making non-Series 80 stuff after they introduced it for "safety purposes".
So why does the newest S&W pistol, the M&P, have a trigger lock AND a mag disconnect (unless you are M or P?) Methinks their lawyers run the company.

As an aside, how are they going to get the trigger lock and mag disconnect on the 15?
 
TechBrute, for a gun that is being pushed towards the M&P (hence the name :) ) a mag disconnect makes sense. If you are in a wrestling match, and the bad guy is taking your gun, you drop the mag, and it makes him shooting you with your own gun a whole lot harder. Believe it or not, this was one of the big selling points for the 3rd Gen, and there were lots of documented saves.

As for the lock? At this point, there are a lot more companies that do have them, than don't.
 
I agree with you Correia, and I'm aware of the usefulness of the disconnect if you train to use it, but that doesn't change the fact that for serfs, it ONLY comes with the lock and disconnect, no choice. It is available without them for M or P.

As for the lock? At this point, there are a lot more companies that do have them, than don't.
And that makes it ok? If everyone was wrong, would that make them right?
 
Theres already 8 different manufacteres of AR-15's....

Why dont they go make something usefull, like a carbine or liscense from some euro company to make their products...
 
TechBrute, not disagreeing man. I hate those locks. I just don't think we should single any manufacturer out because they are all going to have them.
 
KriegHund said:
Theres already 8 different manufacteres of AR-15's....
But there aren't very many GOOD AR manufacturers, and even less that are good AND can handle any sort of volume. Of course they may just blend in with the rest...

Correia, I respectfully disagree. I will single out EVERY manufacturer with a lock. Even if I'm singleing out all of them, at which point we may need to discuss not using the term "singleing" and maybe start "boycotting." In the mean time, Glock, Colt, Springfield, Kimber, and others still make guns without locks. I know this gun isn't targeted at my demographic, but they went so far as to make an extra special lawyerized version for me, which screams intent.
 
"Smith & Wesson Enters Long-Gun Market with M&P15 Rifles"

Yeah, read that as "we aren't making enough money on these over-priced metal casted handguns so we are going to slap together (like every other AR maker) ARs from the mutitude of parts manufacturers and put our logo on it in hopes that there is a mull.....er buyer for it":p .

What next? Winchester 94s:D .

kjeff50cal:evil:
 
Yes. I won't buy one of the Blitish made ones but will buy a new one if I can get one without the internal lock.

ajax said:
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't a British company own S&W when the sell out in question occured.
 
When was the last time Americans felt bound to some mess Englishmen made of things?

S&W should repudiate the Klintoon "contract," but their execs have chickenblood coursing through their veins.
 
Boats said:
S&W should repudiate the Klintoon "contract," but their lawyers have lawsuit fear coursing through their veins.

Fixed it for you. When you do something like that for safety's sake, it's hard to remove it and later say it won't impact safety.

One more reason the new firearms lawsuit protection law is a good thing.
Before that law, I wouldn't have given thought to removing the locks either.

Maybe that will change now that there are some tort protections.
 
jeff-10 said:
How come ppl don't complain about the mag disconnect on a BHP but do on a newer pistol?
I thought that having the disconnect removed was the #1 mod for them.

Springfield 1911s have locks now? Good grief...
 
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