S&W question

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joebogey

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Hey Guys,
I own (2) S&W revolvers, a 27-2 and a 29-3, both in a nickle finish.
I've always carried them with the hammer on an empty. Are these two models safe to carry with a full house like the Rugers? Or should I continue to carry with 5 rounds for safety?
 
Empty your M27 - then pull hammer back and release under control - trigger still back. Notice then with hammer down what happens as you release trigger - hammer comes rearwards a bit.

I forget the mechanism in detail but tho you have a floating FP - there is still a blocking system for when hammer at normal rest. Different from transfer bar system with fixed FP but IMO making it totally safe to load and carry six. Same for M29 IIRC too, which is also I recall a P&R with the floating pin.

No problems IMO :).
 
Although some models had a hammer block of sorts, it is a good idea to carry S&W hand ejector revolvers made before 1945 with five loaded chambers, and the hammer rested on the last one. However in 1945 a new hammer block was added, and thereafter carrying six rounds was perfectly safe.

I someone wonders when their particular revolver was made, relative to the hammer block, just post a partial serial number.

Also, all revolvers that are marked with a model number (10, 13, 15, 19 ,27, 29, etc) are safe to carry fully loaded.
 
Old Fluff

I know these are long after 1945, but just for giggles, it would be nice to have those dates.
The 27-2 has a serial # of N4340XX
And the 29-3 has a serial # of AVA85XX

I bought the 27 back in the early 80s for my wife when I drove a truck and was away from home all the time.
I purchased the 29 a year or two afterwards.
 
The 27-2 has a serial # of N4340XX = 1978
And the 29-3 has a serial # of AVA85XX = 1986 or 87

Both can be carried or used fully loaded with 6 rounds. :)
 
So if I should decide to carry my M&P 3rd change with it's six inch barrel I need to ensure tht the chamber underneath the hammer is empty. Good to know. Old Fuff you can always be counted on for helpful info. Thanks. Of course I don't see myself carrying it as my CCW piece, but hey you never know. It's one heck of a tack driver and it does have a certain ambiance.
 
Empty Chamber?

From what I can tell, there is no need to carry on an empty chamber. The mechanics of the revolver are such that there is no danger with the hammer down... the safety block added during WWII was done after one or two Navy owned revolvers were dropped while cocked and the hammer fell discharging the revolver... not with the hammer down. S&W belived the NDs were a result of poor maintenance or incompetent maintenance by the Navy and did not think there was a need for the modification, but once the factory was production lines were set up to make continued it.

While it may be technically possible to cause a revolver to fire from being dropped with the hammer down, the practical matter is no one would drop one far enought to make the gun fire in real life.

You might also note, the S&W has never recommended carry of their Hand Ejector Revolvers with an empty chamber going as far back as the late 19th century.

:OF course if it makes you more comfortable, that's your call...


Checkman said:
So if I should decide to carry my M&P 3rd change with it's six inch barrel I need to ensure tht the chamber underneath the hammer is empty. Good to know. Old Fuff you can always be counted on for helpful info. Thanks. Of course I don't see myself carrying it as my CCW piece, but hey you never know. It's one heck of a tack driver and it does have a certain ambiance.
 
Going back to 1896, and Smith & Wesson’s first hand ejector revolver (a .32), the lockwork employed a device to retract the hammer after it hit the primer, (called “rebounding,” and then block the hammer from going forward again until the trigger was pulled. But this block was at the bottom, or “foot” of the hammer, and if the hammer spur was hit a solid enough blow there could be enough spring in the hammer, or the hammer stud, on which the hammer rotated, could shear, after which in theory a primer might be detonated if it was in front of the firing pin.

In 1908 or thereabouts, Colt introduced a positive hammer block, which in addition to their rebounding block added an additional one between the frame and hammer just under the firing pin. That prevented the hammer-mounted firing pin from reaching a primer no matter what. After that S&W danced around a bit. They said they’re guns were safe enough, and during the 1920’s and 30’s added a hammer block of sorts that was mounted in the side plate. But it was delicate and required a sort of spring action to work. Their advertising was carefully worded to avoid calling attention to Colt’s much superior system.

In 1944 someone on a battleship dropped a Victory model, supposedly equipped with the older sideplate-mounted hammer block, from some unknown height and it bounced off of a hardwood deck and went off, killing a sailor.

The Navy demanded that Smith do something, and do it fast. They did so, even though they and not had an opportunity to inspect the possibly defective revolver, or a complete and full report of the circumstances surrounding the accident. In theory, the hammer block in the sideplate should have prevented a discharge, even if the hammer was cocked, which is questionable.

The new S&W block worked like the well-proven Colt one, but was linked to the rebound slide rather then the trigger. They still use it in revolvers today. It can be dropped on the hammer spur with the hammer cocked, and so long as the trigger is not prevented from following down the revolver will not fire. Even if the hammer stud should sear, it still won’t fire.

The chance of a pre-1945 S&W revolver going off accidentally if dropped, or the hammer spur being otherwise hit a hard blow is remote – but more possible then a post-1945 gun. While I enjoy shooting the earlier revolvers I seldom carry one as a weapon, because I have other later guns for this purpose. When I do, and it has happened, I load the cylinder to full capacity. Otherwise I leave the hammer down on an unloaded chamber. Others may do as they will…
 
ribbonstone said:
Safe loaded with 6.

Was trying to cut down on my digressions. These fellows have given you the "how" of it...important thing is that unless you pull the trigger, the firing pin isn't going to strike the primer.

As they staed, there are vrious ways and reasons for that; over the years Murphy has pretty much found the places where his law could breed and S&W has done a fine job on the safety system (now the dern key-lock is a whole 'nuther matter).
 
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