SAA Replica

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So I kind of have a hankering for a SAA replica. But I am pretty unfamiliar with most of the manufacturers except for Ruger. Do you guys have any suggestions or personal opinion or stories on some of the manufacturers like Uberti or Cimmaron?
 
Most Cimarron guns are made by Uberti. I have both Uberti and Cimarron revolvers. Cimarron offers some different finishes than Uberti, but having owned both, I would not pay the extra cost that Cimarron charges in the same gun.

One of my favorites is the Cimarron Lightning. It is made by Uberti specifically for Cimarron and has the traditional styling of the original Colt Lightning grip. This SA is 20% smaller than the traditional SAA and carries and conceals easily. The pre-ban elephant ivory was a personal upgrade.

Both brands are nice guns and make great shooters. But, be aware each could require some minor tweaking even new out of the box.

I am partial to the Colt SAA and I have a 2nd Generation that is my favorite shooter. Originally it was a .45 LC. A few years ago I sent it back to the Colt Custom Shop and had a 45 ACP cylinder fitted to it. That upgrade has more than paid for itself in ammo cost, and I still have the option of shooting either caliber.

The new Rugers also have the option of .45 and .45 ACP. I don't own a Ruger, but my father-n-law does the SASS shoots and really like them.

Hope this helps.
 

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The Rugers are generally functional straight out of the box. The old, bigger frame Vaquero was kind of clunky, but strong as an ox. The New Vaquero is svelter, and not quite so overbuilt.

As for the Italian guns, there are lots of importers, like Cimmaron, Taylor's, Navy, etc. There are only two actual manufacturers, though, Uberti and Pietta. Each of the importers sometimes specs different finishes, or setup options, but they all come from the same two factories. They are much closer replicas of the original guns than are Rugers, but sometimes this means "Flaws and all." They've got all flat springs, which can be prone to breakage if the gun isn't tuned right. Speaking of tuning, if you're going to shoot it much at all, you'd be well advised to have a good cowboy smith go over it, as the Italian guns usually aren't very well fitted or finished internally. To overcome the roughness, they generally run springs that are far too heavy. The combination of ill fitting and finished parts with excess spring weight makes for a gun that'll wear itself out in short order, if not corrected.

Once the finishing that used to get done at the factory, (back when labor was cheap and machining was expensive, and these guns were designed) is done, the Italian guns make dandy shooters. Keep the pressures to what you'd use in an original, and they'll give good service.
 
Cool thanks! I would definitely prefer an original colt SAA but the price is much higher. The thing I really like about Uberti is I can get one chambered in 44-40. Don't ask me why but lately that caliber has really been interesting to me. I am a die-hard Ruger fan unfortunately. I just wish they chambered the 44-40 in the vaquero.
 
I have a Ruger Birdshead 45acp and you could not ask for a better shooting revolver at 15 yards it does shoot to POA and it handels the recoil of the acp round very well

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I have an Uberti Cattleman in .45 Colt, and I love it! .45 Colt is pretty mild, IMO. Nothing like .44 mag.

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Most cowboy shooters divide the single actions into two categories: (a) Ruger; and (b) everything else. This is because a Ruger is styled like a Colt SAA but inside it's a thoroughly modern gun.

Most of the other single actions are replicas/copies/clones of the Colt with all of the old gun's features, charm and shortcomings.

One of the advantages of the Ruger is its transfer bar ignition that allows you to carry the gun safely with six rounds loaded. A Colt (or Colt replica) should be carried with an empty chamber under the hammer.

There are a couple of other single action revolvers with transfer bar ignitions, such as the Beretta Stampede and the recently introduced Uberti Horseman.
 
.44-40 is a great cartridge. Its prime virtue is that the slight bottleneck and thin brass make for an excellent gasket when shooting black powder. You can shoot BP .44-40 in a '73 all day long, and never get any fouling in the action. Try that with .45 Colt, and you'll think you're cracking walnuts in short order. Not to mention shooting a black powder repeating rifle is the fourth most fun thing it's possible to do in this life.

As a revolver cartridge, though, it's kind of "meh." If you already load it, dandy. I just found myself in lust with an S&W Frontier DA for that reason, among others. But if you just want a smokeless revolver? The .44 Russian/Special/Magnum family, or the .45 Schofield/Colt or ACP/ Auto Rim are all easier to live with calibers. If you're on a budget, the .38/.357 can't be beat.
 
One of my favorites is the Cimarron Lightning.

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A real pleasure to shoot and I've used it as a concealed carry piece on occasion, just remember to keep an empty chamber under the hammer and be careful once you cock it as the trigger pull is light and quick.

Nice grips there PRM, I'm jealous.
 
The guys in the Black Powder forum have repeatedly said that the gap between Pietta and Uberti has narrowed to where these days there's really nothing much between the two. I'd suggest that from the two Pietta 1873's I've got for cowboy shooting and general bullseye fun that this is very much the case. Both guns have proven to be solid performers and so far have stood up to around 4000 rounds each over the few years I've had them.

Mine are chambered in .357Mag. Mostly they are used with .38Spl loads but they've each seen 30 to 40 rounds of .357Mag out of them for giggles now and then.
 
As pointed out, the Ruger isn't an SAA replica; it's a completely modern design. If you want an SAA clone, skip the middlemen and go directly to Uberti or Pietta. The money you save can be used for tuning the six-gun to your tastes.
However, there is a middle ground; the EAA Bounty Hunter. It's action is taken from the Colt SAA (it even has the same grip frame profile), but it incorporates a transfer bar ignition (licensed from Ruger) so a full cylinder carry is ok. It also has a beefier cylinder than the SAA (same diameter as the S&W N-frame) and comes chambered in .44 Magnum as well as .357 Mag and .45 Colt. Once known as the Arminius, it's production can be traced back to the Sig Sauer single action so it's cousin to the Herter's PowerMag. It's not Italian, but made in Germany by Weinrauch.
Best of all, it's one of the least expensive single-actions on the market.
 
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I own Colts, Rugers and Ubertis. I won't go over the points already made.

But I will second the comments about the 44-40 cartridge. I have been loading it for years, mostly with Black Powder, but I started out loading it with Smokeless. I agree, the very thin brass at the neck makes it obdurate and seal a rifle chamber exceedingly well, keeping just about all the fouling out of the action. As a revolver cartridge, some of that advantage is lost, because a revolver is not a closed system like a rifle. With a revolver, fouling gets blasted out of the barrel cylinder gap and winds up everywhere, no matter how well the chamber is sealed.

To make matters more complicated, many revolver manufacturers have not settled on proper barrel and chamber throat dimensions for 44-40. When Ruger was making the 'old model' Vaquero and chambering it for 44-40, the early versions had chamber throats too tight for the .429 barrels they were using. So bullets rattled down the bore without much accuracy. The original 19th Century groove diameter for 44-40 was set at .427, although in reality it could vary a lot from manufacturer to manufacturer. Today, many manufacturers are using the same .429 barrels that they use for 44 Special, that is part of what Ruger did wrong. So it can be a trial arriving at a good bullet diameter that will fit properly in both the chamber throats and the rifling.

One more thing. That extra thin brass at the neck can make loading 44-40 a bit difficult. More so than the thicker, more forgiving brass at the mouth of a 45 Colt. I am not saying it is necessarily difficult to load 44-40, but it does tend to be a bit fussy to get it right, fussier than a more forgiving cartridge like 45 Colt.
 
Excellent points on the 44-40 in the revolver aspect. If I did select that caliber I would be starting fresh. Needing all supplies, brass, and bullets properly sized for the caliber. And a quick check, the slight shoulder and thin brass equates to much higher cost for brass. I have a good idea of the revolver, now to make up my mind on the darn caliber.
 
Flat Springs

One post brought up the problem of spring breakage. The flat springs on the Colt and Colt clones are prone to breakage. The most common to give problems is the sear/bolt spring. Wolff make a wire replacement spring for the Colt SAA and Colt clones that is pretty much a permanent fix for this problem. Cimarron has even started offering one for the smaller Model P Jr and the Lightning.

http://www.gunsprings.com/index.cfm?page=items&cID=3&mID=1
 
Desertrat357

Ruger did make the older model Vaquero in .44-40 so if you're so inclined you might want to try looking for one of them online at the gun auction sites.

I have a Beretta Stampede in. 45 Colt and I really like the overall quality and fit and finish of the gun. A very affordable price (compared to a Colt SAA), was also a big factor in my getting it.
 
Too bad USFA has stopped making SAA clones as they made good ones. I sent my Rodeo to Longhunter to do a spring swap when one of my flat springs broke. The gun still retains the Colt style action but now has coil springs to avoid breakage. It was also tuned, and while smooth out of the box, it is now really nice.

I would probably go Ruger at this point since USFA is pretty much gone.
 
The Ubertis are good guns. I've got at least one from each and really don't see much difference among the various importers. Although I do like Cimarron's customer service and list of options.

On springs, all the Italians are a little rough and oversprung from the factory. All would benefit from an action job and spring swap. Not only are lighter springs make the sixgun more pleasurable to operate and make the action feel smoother, they also decrease wear on critical parts. The Heinie or Wolff music wire trigger/bolt spring is the only way to go. That said, I've been shooting traditional single actions for 26yrs and have only ever had one spring break. Which was on a friend's high mileage Colt Frontier Scout. It cost a few dollars and took literally minutes to replace. I might also add that Uberti is using coil hand springs on the late model guns.

Ruger did offer the .44-40 in the original Vaquero but it had correct chambers coupled with a .429" bore. Not a good combination for accuracy. Most need their chambers reamed to accommodate standard .430" cast bullets.


The guys in the Black Powder forum have repeatedly said that the gap between Pietta and Uberti has narrowed to where these days there's really nothing much between the two.
I was skeptical until I bought one. My pair of Pietta 1860's from several years ago are pretty rough, inside and out. My brand new Pietta 1851 London is a gorgeous sixgun! Not only is it very well put together and finished on the outside, the action is pretty smooth too. It's a nicer and smoother gun than the Uberti 1849 I got at Christmas. I don't know how good their SAA's are but if their percussion guns are any indication, they should be very nice.
 
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Yeah, that brings up a big question for me. What happened to USFA. I actually went to their website to try and find info on them. Thought I was having technical difficulties, however it is sounding like they just no longer manufacture SAA's. that is a crying shame to be honest. My uncle owns one and I love that revolver. Too bad.
 
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