Sad case at my High School (where I teach)

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I've been to California once. Never been to LA. I don't think I am going to go there any time soon.

hooking herself in the bathroom during lunch to a campus security slime

Huh??? Maybe I am too old (I'm 33) but can you explain to me what this means. It made no sense to me at all.


Also, what is an Asian Triad???

yeah, i believe him, because here at my high school getting caught with a sharpie (permanent marker) is a misdemeanor with a $250-$750 fine if they can show that you have intent to tag...and intent to tag can be as silly as picking up the kid's folder and pointing to writing on the cover - even if the writing is the kid's own name. as long as it LOOKS like tagging writing, it's considered intent to tag... now how many of you liked to write your name in "fancy letters" when you were in grade school? esp. if all the "fancy letters" you see are on walls? how would your writing look?

I knew they didn't recognize the 2nd Amendment in California. Have they thrown out the 1st too????
 
I tend to believe this story.

Cops are a reflection of the communities they live in. A city run by and populated with corrupt power-hungry liberal gun-grabbing tyrannical socialists is going to, by necessity, produce a goodly percentage of cops who follow this same profile.
 
I'm guessing "Hooking up" = doing the wild thang

Asian Triads are mafia gangs from China, Taiwan, Hong Kong. They pretty much run entire industries in those countries. Jackie Chan had a hard time with the Triads when he just started making movies in Hong Kong.
 
"Hooking"- Im guessing it has to do with "Selling" oneself's "activities" for a period of time, like what "hookers" do?

Anyway, the marker thing is reDONKulous.
 
Thanks.

I don't normally think in those terms (I'm happily married), but yes, it makes a lot of sense now.

Did they throw the security guard in jail????
 
:barf: :mad: :mad: :mad: :barf:

Felony marker possession??? That is so over the top I went searching...

Section 594 of the California Penal Code says:

594.2. (a) Every person who possesses a masonry or glass drill bit,
a carbide drill bit, a glass cutter, a grinding stone, an awl, a
chisel, a carbide scribe, an aerosol paint container, a felt tip
marker
, or any other marking substance with the intent to commit
vandalism or graffiti, is guilty of a misdemeanor.

(b) As a condition of probation for any violation of this section,
the court may order the defendant to perform community service not
to exceed 90 hours during a time other than his or her hours of
school attendance or employment.

(c) For the purposes of this section:
(1) "Felt tip marker" means any broad-tipped marker pen with a tip
exceeding three-eighths of one inch in width, or any similar
implement containing an ink that is not water soluble.
(2) "Marking substance" means any substance or implement, other
than aerosol paint containers and felt tip markers, that could be
used to draw, spray, paint, etch, or mark.

As incomprehensible as that may be for free men, how does the purported misdemeanor become a felony?

Lawdy, up jumped the devil... :barf: :barf:
 
We make it a crime to posess writing implements, and wonder why people are illiterate.

Wow.




(Also, I'd note that your citation is for a marker wider than 3/8 inch, and OP said 1 inch; I'd bet that the wider marker is higher offense, as 1/2 oz of marijuana vs. 1/2 pound.)
 
I've a question. I realize this is off the wall as far as a law pertaining to
"markers", but just to be the devil's advocate, how do you who live in
other states, know you do not have a likewise law ?

Be interesting to find out. ;)
 
Maybe I'm just a tad behind here in KY, but whether a felony or misdemeanor .... having a marker is a crime? I'd believe it in Britain, but here???
 
L. A. P. D., somewhat questionable...

I'm not anti-police. I carry a gun and badge from a federal agency for a living. However, living here in the Los Angeles basin area, I see a fair amount of LAPD activity.

Yes, there are some decent officers. Most are serious about law enforcement and try to "do right". There are a number who have the attitude they do not enforce the law, they "are" the law. You've never seen a [movie version] small town southern sheriff who is more badge heavy and oblivious of individual rights than a 'politically correct' LAPD officer who wants to be promoted. The late "Rampart Scandal" is indicative of the rest of the department.

The kid in this case may be embellishing some of the details and covering some of his own failings, but I think there's a substantial core of authenticity in the story.
 
Teenager w/no ID v. possibly abusive PO

Given that it's LA we're discussing, it's a tough call....... :scrutiny:

" 594.2. (a) Every person who possesses a masonry or glass drill bit, a carbide drill bit, a glass cutter, a grinding stone, an awl, a chisel, a carbide scribe, an aerosol paint container, a felt tip marker, or any other marking substance with the intent to commit vandalism or graffiti, is guilty of a misdemeanor."

I use a felt-tip marker called - no joke - a "44 Mag," presumably because its .4" wide and about 1/4 thick. VERY handy for marking brass; I just wipe it down each row of cartridges as they sit in the ammo boxes. It will do a .45 in 1 pass.

Is that "intent to commit vandalism?" :eek:
 
about the felony

to be honest, I'm not sure why packing a big marker can be a felony. but stranger things have happened here... for instance, CA bans Shuriken (ninja stars), Nunchuks (which they make fun of in "Wedding Crashers".. a CA joke), and Butterfly knives (probably because of movies like "West Side Story" and Jackie Chan movies where all the "Azn boys" are expert knife-flipping kung-fu masters).

I always thought that the 3 aforementioned were usually more dangerous to the untrained wielder than any supposed victim, but i dunno, wiser heads than mine in sacramento....

for those of you who read the knife threads, CA also bans collapsible batons (it's a FELONY, and this one Jim March has confirmed) but encourages carry of knives of pretty much any length....

as for the marker, I've been told that markers with tips that exceed 1" are considered felony items - the penal code listed earlier seems to be for ones over 3/8 inch. then again, it could be that the "felony" my kid's charged with was a fake intended to scare the kid into spilling whatever he might know about Flores gang... or make up.

he told me that on several occasions his brother (who probably is a gangster and maybe even a drug dealer, but supports Mario and has asked me and other teachers to help him keep Mario out of the same trouble) was arrested, given a court date, and then offered a chance to "talk".

when he showed up in court, nobody knew who he was - apparently the "filed charges" were bogus.

The rotten truth is, city life is saturated with rot - and the layers of corruption, resident and government alike, are so thoroughly permeated by chronic ignorance and selfishness (devil take the last man in kind of thinking) that anyone who wants to do good (cops, folks, kids) must constantly struggle against despair in the face of such overwhelming want.

People resort to crime because they are poor, they are poor because they can't find a job, they can't find a job because they aren't educated, they aren't educated because of a desperate lack of people willing to take the high road, people willing to take the high road avoid L.A. because of the corrupt system, the system is corrupt because ignorant & selfish people are attracted to the exploitable poor (and corresponding exploitable federal/state funds) like flies to dog poop.

Last school year (which for us, a 3-track school, ended a month ago) our Title 1 federal funds office could not account for nearly $400,000 out of a budget of $900,000... the intervention classes which I teach, and for which the money had been earmarked for (among other such classes), could not even make xerox copies because all the money to buy paper had mysteriously vanished.

the really sad part is, it probably wasn't even embezzled... probably just wasted on catering and other silly crap like that. bear in mind that her in L.A. most administrators have had only five years, often less, of actual teaching experience - and usually those in areas other than L.A.

don't get me wrong - there are MANY people (cops, kids, parents, even the occasional bean-counter) here trying to do the good thing, but I guess I've just been posting this so that those of you who only get the Newsweek or A Current Affair (a show which my kids are scared to watch, because the camera vans are often filming on THEIR block) version of "hispanic / black inner city life" which frequently seems to paint those folks as degenerate, stupid, drug-crazed low-lifes giving teenage birth to retarded neglected babies have some idea what it's really like - these are people who are only a few thousand dollars short of where you are morally.

but those few thousand dollars come with a crushing social system that has produced disastrous exponential long term effects on an entire demographic.

sure, shoot the drug dealers, lock up the thugs, but don't let your "victories" there blind you to the reasons why these people have come to exist in such large numbers here in the first place.

California - and LA's stupid, bull-headed single-prong attack on urban crime will never be truly effective as it merely stamps out (with collateral damage) crime while ignoring (probably because it's much harder to deal with) the conditions that produce such and indeed, often even contributes to those same conditions.

My feelings on "criminals" of late has become like that of a video clip I saw of marines firing on Iraqis charging a base gate only to save the lives of those they had shot up minutes after combat - when they are trying to kill me, I will gun them down without hesitation, but whenever possible, I will give them what aid I can.

and that, I hope, is the high road.
 
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More victims of the Socialist Great Society and the "War on Poverty"

Newsflash: People are "poor" for a reason (and it ain't cos they been kept down by the man).

Frankly, from my observations living in NYC for 20 years, I think that those folk who live in degradation actually like it that way. Try putting them in a nice apartment and see how long it takes them to trash it.

Brother is a drug dealer? Parents? Oh sorry, parent. Obviously not interested in disciplining their children (but wait until he pops some cop and the mother will be shootin her fat mouth off about he was a gooood boy and dint do nuffin).

Sounds like LAPD "pushing back".
Trouble is when everything is illegal and crime still goes on where do you go next?

Bottom line though?
If you want out you get out.
If you put up with a stinkhole for the handouts then you get what you deserve.

G
 
You may hate cops, but that will only last until you need to call them for their services.. Funny how that works

carefull with that idea. I have witnessed on more than one occassion a person who developes their first negative opinion about law enforcement immediatly after calling for their services. When they learn that the response time within 3 blocks of the precinct station is 2 hours, they feel a little dissapointed.
 
gt

gt, not saying that people are victims of society or other crap like that.

just saying that dismissing the poor as "liking it that way" is very convienient for people to say when they don't feel like doing anything about it.


anyway, I've blathered on enough.
 
As has been mentioned many times locally here in Los Angeles, when the local population decides to put as much effort into protesting gang violence and drugs on their own streets as they do protesting the LAPD and rights for illegal aliens, maybe things will change. These problems start at home and that's the place to start fixing them.
 
I know, from personal experience, that a lot of what Silverlance said is true, and by no means limited to L.A. or California.

If you actually live in one of these areas for awhile you will come across some real trash, but at the same time you will meet some fine people. Many of them maintain traditional famlies and at least try to take care of their kids. The core problem is that the head-of-household frequently didn't get a good education - too many of out public schools are a total mess, and try to solve problems by using the latest leftist theories while dumbing down the students. When these students leave school - graduated or not - they have no trade and no prospect of learning one. Without basic skills going on to collage and succeeding is unlikely.

So they are stuck in marginal, low paying jobs - if they can find a job at all. The consequences of this should be obvious.
 
so he ditches all his stuff (id, bus pass, etc).

That was the line that sold me on a credibility rating of zero. Sorry but, only a thug, wannabe thug, or plain old idiot would think of that.

California appears to have fallen off the edge of reality. They are up to their ears in problems and cannot deal effectively with any of them. Leave now before the razor wire and checkpoints go up.
 
Silver lance, I salute you for your courage to try to reach young mind in that hellhole, but may I add my voice to those encouraging you to leave? Free AZ is right across the border from you, and we need good teachers, too....You could have real fun, and get a job teaching in prison - tell 'em you have prior experiance....
 
You may hate cops, but that will only last until you need to call them for their services.. Funny how that works

Only time the cops here respond to any call is if;

someone is bleeding on the ground.
car accident
drugs
underage drinking
revenue enhancement (Tickets)

They NEVER came to any of the calls I have placed.

Illegals living next door 25+ of them no less, had to call INS to get anything done.
Cars parked illegaly on the street so the snow plow can't get through. (Though one would think they would love the chance to write five easy tickets each costing $15.)
Neighbor playing his "ye haw" music outside at 2AM.This has happened too many times to count.
Morons playing "Garbage can pinball" Driving down the alley, knocking down all the trash cans with their car. (Usualy a junker.)
 
heh AZ yah!

i'd love to move AZ.

smog is horrible. ppl get lung cancer here all the time w/o smoking (see chris reeve's wife)

jobs are hard to find (or, rather, GOOD jobs as a teacher)

cost of living is SUPER HIGH (gas at 3.10/g, rent for a STUDIO is 975$)

cost of homes here start at 550k$

crime, gun laws, stupid politicians, stupid neighbors, few good women...

eh, goes on.

do let me know if there's a good place to look for a house in AZ. seriously, in 1 year i finish my debt to CA and can move... and want to.

oh, and ps:
i have ppl smoking pot next door CONSTANTLY, TONS of illegals (although to be fair most of them are decent people), 911 is always busy - and to add insult to injury parking on your own street in front of your own house on a street sweeping day results in a whopping $45 fine. parking in your own driveway, if you extend more than a foot or so into the sidewalk, results in a $75 fine.

sigh*
 
And cops wonder why people believe everything they hear about them is true. You may hate cops, but that will only last until you need to call them for their services.. Funny how that works

Not all of us, friend. My home has been burglarized twice and my former business was burglarized at least ten times. Time period from 1979 to 1991.
I've never seen any sign of a serious investigation of any of these. In one, I recovered a bass guitar that was stolen and got the store to tell me who sold it to them. According to the detective, that wasn't sufficient probable cause to get a search warrant to look at the guy's house for any of the rest of the loot, including guns, or even to question him. I report theft to the police for one reason and one reason only...insurance. It's certainly not because I expect any action whatsoever from the police. From experience to date, about all I expect the police to do for me in need is to direct traffic around me in a car accident. I've had more help from complete strangers who looked like gangbangers.

And I don't hate cops. I like many of them as people. My Class III FFL is a police officer. Fine businessman. It's just been my experience, that you report a crime to them and nothing happens. Oh, wait. The local PD does send me a post card every year asking if I've recovered my pre-WWII Fabrique Nationale HiPower Serial Number 47712. Stolen in 1982. I call them up and tell them that I have not solved the crime or recovered the pistol. (All my searches at checkpoints I've set up have turned up empty. Sorry, officer. :rolleyes: )

So, please...refrain...I'm not getting what I am supposedly being taxed to pay for.
 
hey cops have burglars too

My brother is a cop in NY, his house was burgled...turned out it was a Detective from another city!!

Back to the thread I was stuck in the never ending BS that is NYC for a long time (just like LA bullhockey I'm sure) -I am so glad to be living here in northern Nevada.
no tolls.
theres allways a gun in my car (& now it's legal)
I can park.
Real gun shows with real guns for sale.
plenty of overtime.
mountains,lakes,desert.
I wish I had moved here ten yrs ago when I first thought of it
 
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