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why do these stores say that they have strong safes and the label say rsc or something. some say a safe is a safe as long as you have metal ( told me a whopping 12ga)to protect your goods is ok. what!!! I just walked out!!!!!.........I think 7ga even 4ga would be a great choice, and I never seen a company showing they own safe being pried open (unless they fail to open it) and everybody seem to say their have the best safe...wt.....
 
Anything measured in gauge, regardless of the number, is not a "safe". Real safes are measured in fractional inch/inch measurements along with knowing the strength of the materials used.

RSC - Residential Security Container. No mention of it being a safe by UL.
 
BigBay;

There is no legislation in this country that I know of that would enforce what build standard may be applied to the term "safe". It's my belief that six business cards could be taped together and a bent pin put across one corner to secure the door, and I could sell it to you, and call it a safe. If you wished to buy it, (really good price too!) so be it.

The Underwriter's Laboratories are the best source of safe standards that now exist in the U.S. in my opinion. In order to meet their safe designation, all six sides must be quarter-inch steel plate as a minimum. Their thermal protection, fire, ratings are also the only ones to pay serious attention to. With U.L. you can go online and find the test parameters for their tests, and I think that's significant.

To my knowledge there are only three manufacturer's now offering true safes to the consumer market. They are: AMSEC, and only the very top of their line, Brown, and Graffunder. I've sold Graffunder's for years, and never had a problem being competitive in price with the other two brands. All three brands exceed the U.L. minimum build standard for a class B safe and are quality units.

However, true safes are not priced in the same category as the RSC's. You will pay more for plate steel than sheet metal. It's my considered opinion that you will also get the protection that you've paid for.

900F
 
I guess fort k is a Residential Security Container..............I just looked at brown safe...wow! I don't think nobody is going to beat them 1 1/2 inch....what the
 
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Yep, Ft Knox is a RSC. A good one, but an RSC nonetheless. A few suggestions:

1. What are you hoping to achieve? Fire protection, theft protection, keeping your kid's friend out of your stuff (you are teaching your kid - right? ;) )....
2. What is your spend? Everything will be perfect with infinite money....
3. Where are you going to put it? Real safes weigh a ton (sometimes literally)....
4. What are you trying to protect? No reason getting a $9,000 safe for 50 buck worth of stuff :what:....
5. What is the real cost of replacement? Have you included the cost of the glass on top of your items? My wife was suprised at the insurance value of her deer rifle, specifically the price of the glass.:eek:

Some smarta$$ stuff above - sorry. The basic questions are sound.

Best,
Rabid
 
For $6,000 you can get a safe with true UL burglary protection. Most of the composite versions of these safes will give you the added bonus of 1 to 2 hours of fire protection.

You should contact a local safe company to see what they have available. If you would consider preowned, you would even have some money left over.
 
Hey Big,

Sorry, I was asking rhetorically. You have thought through this - good. A lot don't. I would poke CB900 for more insight, as he has done this for a living.

Just a quick search got this: It is more than what you want to spend, but it gives you an idea of prices.

vhttp://www.agunsafe.com/Graffunder-Safes.html

Many safe distrubtors carry used, and returned safes (People upgrade or move). They can be had for a fraction or new. Make sure you get one that will bring it in, and secure it (you can do it yourself, but it is a pain). Reputable is more important than cost. Good luck in your search. One more suggestion, buy bigger - the space seems to evaporate inside.

Best,
Rabid
 
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