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I stopped by my local GS yesterday, one of the counter guys was checking out a used S&W AR15 that he purchased and had just recieved by UPS from a GS in Texas. They did the normal safety check and found a live round in the chamber!

Needless to say they where shocked that the other GS had not checked it and actually shipped it loaded. When I left the owner was planning on making a call to let the other GS owner know what he or one of his employees had done.

This just goes to show that you never assume anything and treat all firearms as if they are loaded because they just might be.
 
Somebody posted a while back about a new semi-auto pistol that came from the factory with a live round in the chamber. All new guns are supposedly test fired a few times at the factory and someone evidently forgot to shoot the last round.
 
I was at a gun shop when a man sold a gun he had inherited but had no interest in; it was a pump-action .22 rifle. IIRC, the gun shop owner ejected twelve rounds from the magazine.

In another case a guy brought a .25 Beretta to a gun show; the safety check police officer removed a loaded magazine and ejected a live round from the chamber, before running a zip tie through the magwell and out the ejection port.

All guns deserve to be treated like lethal weapons, expecially the "I thought it was unloaded" ones.
 
Henry Repeating Arms includes the accountability sheet in with the guns, with "check for ammo" signoffs at every step from test-fire to shipping

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I'm not saying it is a perfect way or the only way to prevent live ammo traveling in the gun ... but it seems to work.

You could make lemonade from that lemon, of course. "Free round of ammunition included with purchase of a firearm!"
 
A gunshot went off at a gunshow I went to a few months ago...ended up injuring 3 people. It was there on consignment and was never properly checked at the door/never checked when it hit the table. The owner of the gun is currently being sued by the 3 people that were injured.

Safety, safety, safety! Keep your damn finger off the trigger!
 
One time I was shooting a 22 pistol at my buddy's farm. He turned around and started blabbering and then POW he accidently fired it. He thought it was empty. Thankfully pointed in a safe direction. We still make fun of him.
 
That really goes to show there is no such thing as redundancy when it comes to making sure firearms are empty.

I'd say the example of Henry Repeating Arms is a pretty good system... this way at least if a round does make it out of the factory they can go back to the last person and ask. Not a full proof system but hardly anything is.
 
JoeMal:

Your reference might be to the Mini 14 at the Bloomington, IL gun show(?).

Wasn't one of the guys seriously injured?

What is even scarier is that some very sick (anti-gun activists?) people have even passed tables and stuck a round into a gun's chamber when nobody noticed. This was stated by one of moderators here a few months ago.
 
What is even scarier is that some very sick (anti-gun activists?) people have even passed tables and stuck a round into a gun's chamber when nobody noticed. This was stated by one of moderators here a few months ago.

According to the Justice System of my Brain, if someone is/was doing that then they should be charged with attemped murder. Why jeopardize someone's safety just for a chance to point your finger and say "See!"

May as well find the car that guy drove to the gun show and wedge his gas pedal down so when he starts the car he get's a taste of his own medicine. Still can't believe that, whether or not it's true, that someone could bring themselves to load a gun on display.
 
Your reference might be to the Mini 14 at the Bloomington, IL gun show(?).

Wasn't one of the guys seriously injured?
Yes, that's what I'm referring to. I believe one of the men spend several days, if not a week or more in the hospital
 
Yes, safety is the first priority in anything! Years ago, in 1977 I was working a afternoon shift at a gas station and got off at 8 P.M. A good friend of mine was the next one on duty and another friend of ours came in to visit and show us a revolver he had bought that day, it was a 38 special snub nose. Well he emptied the cylinder....so he thought and handed the gun to my late friend, yes he died that night. The new owner nor my other friend made a fateful mistake and did not count the rounds nor look at it visually and one way or another the trigger was pulled. My friend died on the way to the hospital, he was a good friend, more than 12 years as I was only 18 at the time. His last words to me was "I am dieing" and I told him that he was not. Had both of the two that handled the weapon did what should be common practice, checked the gun to their satisfaction this would not have happened. Of course some will say it was that the gun should not have been there, but a empty gun of any type is as dangerous as its own weight. I think of that night every time I get through shooting my revolver, I always count how many bullets I put in and how many I take out. Every time. If I am just checking out a function or a new round I dont load every cylinder or load the mag fully. If I want to check a new setting or ammo choice, I usually load 3 rounds and that is just part of my safety routine. I live in a area where you can shoot safely off your back porch in my case and I have made a very good back stop and it is covered and has log sides that are 3 foot tall. It look's like a large horse shoe pit but with a padded roof. I have other than the 3/4 inch plywood top, I have collected love seat cushions here and there and they are on the underside of the roof for any 22 action. It also helps with the bb guns used for practice. Out of well over 750 rounds fired into that set up, every bullet has been contained. I write long post but feel strongly about the safety aspect when I think of my friend that passed.
 
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as you said size of box. Pretty sure when my dad sent his H&R Handi-Rifle to Remington for extra barrels, they told him to break it down.

You pat by weight, not size (unless the ox is VERY light).

It might reduce the chance of damage, but putting a layer of even 1/4 inch plywood in the bottom of the box strengthens it appreciably.

I routinely send handguns in 1.5 cubic foot 'book boxes' to make the weight more closely match the size and help conceal what is on the box.
 
You pat by weight, not size

Maybe, maybe not....I often ship by USPS. If I carry in a larger box, they measure length and girth, then add up the inches. If the number is higher than something or another, there is a surcharge.
 
"What is even scarier is that some very sick (anti-gun activists?) people have even passed tables and stuck a round into a gun's chamber when nobody noticed. This was stated by one of moderators here a few months ago."

Such a claim needs a reference. To suggest it was an anti-gun activist seems very unethical without a shred of evidence. If that is the case please reference a news article.
 
Anti-gun zealots love it when someone gets killed. Just look at the Giffords shooting or Virginia Tech. Anti's were dancing in the streets.
I don't know of any references of antis loading guns at shows, but I certainly wouldn't put it past them.
 
I don't know of any references of antis loading guns at shows, but I certainly wouldn't put it past them.
I'm not a violent man but if I were to witness this I would be tempted to give the guy an enema with whatever gun he was loading. It's their right as an American to disagree with me on any topic they choose but when they put me, my family or my friends in danger all bets are off.
 
Packages can be up to 150 lbs (70 kg).
Packages can be up to 165 inches (419 cm) in length and girth combined.
Packages can be up to 108 inches (270 cm) in length.
Packages with a large size-to-weight ratio require special pricing and dimensional weight calculations.


Note: Packages that exceed UPS weight and size limits are subject to an Over Maximum Limits charge.
http://www.ups.com/content/us/en/resources/ship/packaging/weight_size.html
You are going to have to work hard to get a rifle into the surcharge area.
 
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