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Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Potatohead, May 15, 2013.

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  1. Potatohead

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    I could be wrong but it seems like a good many folks say they do not like a thumb safety on their firearm. My uncle is a LEO and he scoffs at any gun with a safety-he wont even consider having a gun with one..

    Also, i've heard a lot of people say they do not like a magazine disconnect safety either.

    I know the safety "between your ears" is the most important but
    why do some folks not like safety features such as these, especially since you can choose to just not use the thumb safety if you have one? Am i missing something here? (FYI i'm still new at this so its quite possible that yes, i am missing something here).
     
  2. mcdonl

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    For me... it depends on the gun. 1911... I just know where it is, and how to operate it without thinking (Key Term there....) for my CCW gun I prefer internal safety pistol or DA revolver because I can shoot it without thinking about the safety.
     
  3. Potatohead

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    makes sense. my uncle would be near offended if you accused him of having a safety. i didnt know if it was a macho thing, or their were certain disadvantages to having them or what.
     
  4. GrOuNd_ZeRo

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    On a carry gun a safety might get accidentally put on safe without you realising it, as soon as you need to use it the trigger is dead because it's on safe.

    My Smith M&P has an external safety which is easilly activated but it's not my EDC gun, my Taurus 24/7c has a very positive safety and I can deal with it when I carry it since it's not easilly activated so i'm mixed on the subject, really depends on the gun!
     
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    I won't own a pistol that won't fire w/o the mag. What if all I've got is the pistol and bullets, but no mag; I still want it to shoot.
     
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    Mostly it is knee jerk reaction by people whose gun knowledge comes from the internet. I love guns with redundant safeties so I can choose to use them or not. Most of my guns have hammers and safeties. Many will say that it is possible that your safety can engage without you knowing it. It is also possible that Pam Anderson will marry me and we will honeymoon in my yacht in Monte Carlo. A lot of things are possible but unlikely.

    Your brain may be the most important safety but unfortunately it is not the best. If it were we would not have so many safety devices in our lives and would not be reading about so many unintentional discharges. We are human and therefore subject to mental errors and those who cavalierly say keep your finger off the safety should check to see how telling someone to drive safe works.

    I have been shooting over 40 years and know that if you handle a gun a lot, especially under stress in a non static environment, you probably fired your gun before you ready to. It may just be downrange or it may be in your house while dry firing. At my old gun club we used to say that if you have not had an unintentional discharge, you are not shooting enough. We also divided shooters into those that had an AD and those just waiting to have one.

    A safety is not a safety if it does not prevent you from doing something you should not do. In this case, pull the trigger until you are ready to. The safeties in a Glock and others are there, not for our protection, but for the protection from liability for the manufacturer. They save a lot of money by eliminating a manual safety and then get people to accept it as a good selling point.

    Just think about it, the same people who are afraid that they will forget to disengage a safety are telling you not to forget to keep your finger off the trigger. Huh? Isn't it not the same to remember either one of them? In worse case, having used a 1911 in combat, you quickly recognize that you forgot to flick the safety off safe and immediately remedy that in the next second. If a second or two is that critical you have failed to use your mind, the same one that is supposed to be your best safety, to be situationally aware of your surroundings and allows someone to get that close to you. People worry about any stupid little thing simply because it is possible rather than because it is likely. I can be hit in the head with a meteorite which is a real possibility but it is highly unlikely so I choose not to wear a helmet when I go out. :)
     
  7. Potatohead

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    duh...your right, i didnt think about it snagging, and engaging the safety..
     
  8. Potatohead

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    As a new shooter, im for all the safeties they can fit on there! I probably will always be that way tho-paranoid a bit
     
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    Personally I don't have an issue with any particular type of safety. My duty weapon is a Glock, so when I'm not on duty my cc gun is a Glock. The main reason being that I train heavily with the Glock so I might as well stick with the same platform off duty as well as on duty. Not to say I wouldn't carry any of my other pistols but for me it's just a "muscle memory" thing.
     
  10. Potatohead

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    Hilarious!!!

    Also-with my uncle, i almost feel it borders on macho..but he's pretty gun safe to though, so maybe not
     
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    I like safeties on some designs, but not others. I don't like slide-mounted safeties very much. I like most frame-mounted safeties on semiautos. I don't like manual safeties on revolvers.

    All of the semiautos I have, have a manual safety. All of my rifles except my muzzleloader do, too.
     
  12. Potatohead

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    makes sense Ranger. Rangers lead the way ya know
     
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    "Isn't that cocked pistol dangerous?". Yep. Yes, Mam, it is.
     
  14. Potatohead

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    Maybe i'm wrong and have just been paying more attention to the folks who say they don't like having a safety...maybe theyre the minority but it feels like i hear it or see it a lot.
     
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    Any old rifle has a safety on it. just so you know
     
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    Certain Deaf, your little green light is not on that says if you are online or not. is that turn offable because you must be online..?
     
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    You know what a rifle is? Most all of them have a "safety". A gun is a gun, unless it's your uncle preaching?
     
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    I think it's personal preference. Both of my carry guns have decockers but no manual safety I like the simplicity of pull, point , shoot

    And yes you can turn of the green light in your user CP go to user options, edit options and it will give you the option of being "invisible"
     
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    Being a Glock and revolver owner, a safety on the frame was something I had to adjust
    to on a handgun when I bought my first 1911. Keeping the finger away from the trigger
    is still rule number one for me but now that I have adjusted to the 1911 platform, I
    really like the idea of having another safeguard and it doesn't hurt to know I can flip
    the safety and carry a 1911 with the hammer cocked.
     
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    Purely a matter of preference. You will have people with the exact opposite view as well.
     
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    With good reason. Users often forget to release the safety in a life threat situation and that means they are dead. I never forget a security camera video of a jewelry store where a robber with a revo comes in. The owner pulls an auto and starts yanking the trigger but the safety is on. The perp shoots the owner and he goes down. Then the perp picks up the auto and takes it with him.
     
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    I like a safety on a gun that's supposed to be carried with a round chambered and the hammer back. I don't count a Glock or any other striker fired gun in that category. Magazine disconnect is a big nono, and so is a grip safety. I might myself in a situation where I can't get a good purchase on the grip.
     
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    almost every gun has some sort of safety on it. whether it be a trigger actuated (Glock), thumb operated, trigger guard push button, or slide action. some of the early guns have half cock safety's on them. there are many different things that can be called "safeties". and yes, absolutely, the one between the ears is far more effective than any mechanical device that will ever be designed. personally, i do not want a gun with NO safety at all. that would mean that if the gun was loaded. it would go off whenever the trigger moved backwards far enough for the hammer to drop. period. whether it be from a drop, a fall, tripping, bumping the trigger, many, many different things could cause a firearm to discharge without some sort of safety. that, is not safe for most people. one, properly functioning, simple safety is all a firearm needs. period. any more only pleases the anti-gun crowd, and lawyers. as far as a magazine disconnect "safety", those are THE MOST WORTHLESS, IDIOTIC thing anyone ever came up with. the only people that i have even read about that detest all safeties are dangerous game professional hunters. and in their line of work, for them, i might agree.
     
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    Anybody that has a Browning Hi-Power knows how to use a punch. true story
     
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