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Michael A Ferber
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The CZ P10 Compact feels great in the hand. One heck of a gun for less than $500 bucks retail. Maybe the best striker-fired trigger of all.
Saga of the Sig Sauer P320
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TomJ
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No problem. I just want to make sure we all stay safe.
I consider myself a "Glock Guy", but will eventually buy one of the Sigs. I've shot one at the range, liked it and considered one at the time but postponned my purchase until the issue is corrected and added a M&P 2.0 instead.
If the Sig passed the governments testing, then the testing was flawed. This gun, in it's unmodified form is dangerous. With the upgrades I think it is a fine pistol. Remington 700's passed the testing too, and they sold 7-8 million rifles with a flawed trigger design from 1946 to 2006 when things finally caught up with them. To Sig's credit they are doing the right thing and offering to correct their flawed design. If I owned one it would be going back. Not knowing you have a defective gun is one thing. But to know it is a defective design, be offered the opportunity to have it corrected, and choosing not to do so is the highest form of negligence if you drop it and it discharges striking someone.
If the Sig passed the governments testing, then the testing was flawed. This gun, in it's unmodified form is dangerous. With the upgrades I think it is a fine pistol. Remington 700's passed the testing too, and they sold 7-8 million rifles with a flawed trigger design from 1946 to 2006 when things finally caught up with them. To Sig's credit they are doing the right thing and offering to correct their flawed design. If I owned one it would be going back. Not knowing you have a defective gun is one thing. But to know it is a defective design, be offered the opportunity to have it corrected, and choosing not to do so is the highest form of negligence if you drop it and it discharges striking someone.
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Michael A Ferber
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The P320 was never a defective gun. The trigger trade was an upgrade, not a defective recall. Sigs lawyers reviewed the case inside and out. No payouts were ever made based on lawsuits. Besides, how many guns will go bang if dropped thousands of times on the floor or hit by a hammer while in a vice! Omaha Outdoors is nothing more than another YouTube also-ran, out to make a name for themselves. Now their party is over.
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Michael,
We had quite a few treads regarding this issue when it occurred. I understand that internet hype occurs, and maybe you're right and this was nothing but more hype. Then again maybe you're not. Persuasive arguments can be made either way. I chose to have the upgrade done. You haven't. What this comes down to is if I'm wrong, I lost nothing other than a 10 minute trip to have it shipped and another 10 minutes to pick it up. If you're wrong you risk injuring or killing yourself or someone else. That risk may be small, as the odds of dropping it just so, it going off and hitting someone are small, but they're not zero. I guess I don't understand why people dig their heels in on this issue and are willing to take that risk. I'm a Sig fan and own 7 of them, two of them being P320's, so I'm hardly one of the bashers that seemed to take joy in Sig's problems, but I won't turn a blind eye to a potential problem.
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We had quite a few treads regarding this issue when it occurred. I understand that internet hype occurs, and maybe you're right and this was nothing but more hype. Then again maybe you're not. Persuasive arguments can be made either way. I chose to have the upgrade done. You haven't. What this comes down to is if I'm wrong, I lost nothing other than a 10 minute trip to have it shipped and another 10 minutes to pick it up. If you're wrong you risk injuring or killing yourself or someone else. That risk may be small, as the odds of dropping it just so, it going off and hitting someone are small, but they're not zero. I guess I don't understand why people dig their heels in on this issue and are willing to take that risk. I'm a Sig fan and own 7 of them, two of them being P320's, so I'm hardly one of the bashers that seemed to take joy in Sig's problems, but I won't turn a blind eye to a potential problem.
Tom
I could see not getting the upgrade if it made the gun shoot worse, but honestly while I think of it as a safety recall, it really does upgrade the trigger.
The annoying double click is gone, the break seems to be cleaner, and reset feels more positive. Short of not having your gun for a couple of weeks, it really does improve the overall product and make it safer.
Like I said, I'm totally team SIG when it comes to this gun. The only other polymer pistols I own are a Ruger LCP II and ECS9, for when the 320 is too big to carry. It really was a Glock killer for me. My G19 was gone after one trip to the range with the 320.
Drop me in a warzone, and I think the 320 would be my sidearm of choice. Shoots great, accurate, reliable, etc. However, the old trigger was flawed, even if you only compare it to the upgraded one. I say send it to the mother ship, get a free case and sticker and enjoy an even sweeter shooting gun.
The annoying double click is gone, the break seems to be cleaner, and reset feels more positive. Short of not having your gun for a couple of weeks, it really does improve the overall product and make it safer.
Like I said, I'm totally team SIG when it comes to this gun. The only other polymer pistols I own are a Ruger LCP II and ECS9, for when the 320 is too big to carry. It really was a Glock killer for me. My G19 was gone after one trip to the range with the 320.
Drop me in a warzone, and I think the 320 would be my sidearm of choice. Shoots great, accurate, reliable, etc. However, the old trigger was flawed, even if you only compare it to the upgraded one. I say send it to the mother ship, get a free case and sticker and enjoy an even sweeter shooting gun.
Erief0g
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When I picked mine up I had read all about the trigger, the issue, and the voluntary not recall. After reading 100's off claims that the upgrade trigger was better than the original, in other people's eyes but consistently so, I knew mine would get it. Then when I ran my serial number it showed already installed. Guess i should have simply looked closer at the weapon but I never saw the difference until I checked the site and saw the close up pics.
I do enjoy my vtac.. let me dry fire a few now
I do enjoy my vtac.. let me dry fire a few now
dogtown tom
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Horsehockey.
It can fire when dropped, that's a defect in design.
That's funny. The reason for that "upgrade"? The pistol fired when dropped.
Which case?
Apparently the Sig engineers did some review and agreed with the military.....the gun fired when dropped. The "upgrade" was done on the military guns and not offered to the commercial market until after Omaha Outdoors posted their video.
Of course not, they haven't gone to trial. And REMEMBER when you wrote this?: "...No lawsuits to settle..."
Lets revisit this in about a year then one of us will be eating crow.
Yet the 320 fired by being dropped once.
Glocks and quite a few others don't fire when dropped or hit by a hammer......guess why?
Omaha Outdoors embarrassed the heck out of Sig and led to the "voluntary upgrade". As long as Sig continues to produce faulty designs the party ain't over pal.
I can tell that this is quickly circling the drain, so I mind as well put it out of it's misery
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