So about the P320 Trigger....

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Do you have a link to the story involving the cop?
Saw this on todays showing of "Good Morning America". I really don't like any of the mainstream media's morning shows, or any of their shows. This story aired about 45 minutes into the show. SO, coming from them? Who knows?
 
Just watched a cop suing Sig for $15M for her P320 going off - by it's self. They say that Sig did a modification but the problems still exist.

The problem with this is, most of the times there's an AD the investigation finds out that the cop lied. I remember one where P320 discharged in a cafeteria. By itself, yeah. And then CCTV video showed cop playing with it. So many such cases that there's no way to tell which one is real.

As far as Army go, they ran it through their tests and actually found the issues. They wrote it all up, SIG fixed issues, into the inventory it goes. I've not heard of any particular safety issue with M17/M18.
 
There were some issues with early versions firing when dropped. I've seen video of the problem being duplicated with blanks. If it landed just right when dropped from about 3' it would discharge. Sig corrected that issue long ago. ]

This is something new and I've seen a few references to it happening. Not sure if they were different incidents, or just several reports on the same incident.

And yes, firearms can discharge without anyone touching them. It is usually due to worn parts, defective parts, dirty parts or parts reassembled incorrectly after cleaning. And sometimes there is more to the story. They may never determine what happened here.

We had a deputy 2-3 years ago have a Glock discharge in his holster. He was interviewing a witness and had a pen in one hand, a note pad in the other so his hands were no where near the pistol. The person he was interviewing and another deputy present both witnessed it. Fortunately the only damage was a hole in his back pocket. Bullet lodged in his leather wallet. To my knowledge they have not determined the exact cause, or if they did never released it publicly, but the type of holster he was using is no longer allowed.
 
I have seen enough reports of issues with the P-320 that I would be reluctant to buy one. Are there issues with the gun? Are people using crappy holsters that are causing these discharges? I honestly don't know but there are enough other manufacturers making striker fired pistols that I can fulfill those needs elsewhere.
 
The problem with this is, most of the times there's an AD the investigation finds out that the cop lied. I remember one where P320 discharged in a cafeteria. By itself, yeah. And then CCTV video showed cop playing with it. So many such cases that there's no way to tell which one is real.

As far as Army go, they ran it through their tests and actually found the issues. They wrote it all up, SIG fixed issues, into the inventory it goes. I've not heard of any particular safety issue with M17/M18.


I heard that SIG initiated the change before Army was even aware, offered it for free, Army accepted. THEN they began production and Tank Command accepted as it was to their standard. The civilian P320s later got an update.

Note that all pistols offered for sale met industry and manufacturer standards at the time of release. Of course, that's like saying all drugs approved by the FDA met their standards, yet over 35% were later recalled. Gun makers do a lot better job at it - in this case, it was fixed before the .Gov pistols were even issued.

In this litiguous atmosphere where few accept responsibility for their negligence, we are seeing SIG being bullied as the latest target. It's notable that competitors are now reacting to contracts which require a removable FCU and it could be speculated that it brings increased pressure to word them more openly. Case in point, the Canadian army contract to replace the Hipower, which is stalled once again by a complaint which states exactly that: "We don't have an FCU and it's not fair!"

I also note that smaller organizations who abandon SIG's universally step backward and adopt a 35 year old auto pistol which isn't known to be advancing design progress, which is the precise issue here. Yet, that is exactly where they were in their early days, soundly chastised for innovation by the moribund pistol industry who was losing all the contracts. They are now acting like their competition did then, which signals how stale the company has become. They have had years now to respond, it's not rocket surgery and patents are exactly why Browning came up with the superior Hipower vs the 1911.

If your weapons are perfection, then step up to the next generation of auto pistols and claim your place.
 
Reminds me about when Fox news settled with Gretchen Carlson for 20 million dollars for alleged sexual harassment, then shortly after there were a flood of sexual harassment lawsuits files against Fox news. Funny how that works.
 
My guess is that the thumb safety on the military version would mask any trigger issues with dropping the gun, if such issues really exist. I don’t know the exact way the thumb safety and trigger system works, though. Only time will tell.
 
My guess is that the thumb safety on the military version would mask any trigger issues with dropping the gun, if such issues really exist. I don’t know the exact way the thumb safety and trigger system works, though. Only time will tell.
Well Zendude! I just got one thing to tell you! That pistol you got next to your handle, super awesome looking. I wouldn't doubt that folks have already asked, but what is it? And would you like me to keep it safe for you?
 
Saw a news story on my Google feed today about some female cop getting shot when the holstered Sig inside her purse discharged a round, as she was picking it up.

What's the general consensus on this topic these days?
 
“I picked up my bag, my keys were on top,” she said. “As I walked around my desk, my purse swings out and it shoots out the bottom of my bag.”

Did anyone watch the video and notice how bad that Serpa holster fit at the triggerguard?

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Maybe there's a problem with the P320 as there sure seems to be plenty of instances that are still not fully explained or a clear reason for the discharge, but I can see how something, GOD knows what's in her purse, could have got in that triggerguard and when she swings the purse did it hit her body and come to an abrupt stop at her private parts? Seems reasonable to question it.
 
There is discussion on law enforcement sources that her holster was a Serpa and had a gap that allowed access of something past the trigger guard, some crap in the purse. It seems not to be a dedicated carry purse. Carrying a holster like that in a purse seems rather odd. The details will come out. Probaby Sig will deny all and then settle with a NDA of the settlement.
 
As Paul Harvey would say I will be interested in the rest of the story. In my 21 plus years I have seen a number of unintentional discharges. Only two of the officers accepted accountability and said, yep, that was on me. The others said how the gun just went off and that they didn’t have their finger in the trigger which after further investigation, this was most likely not the case.
 
The trigger is so good its easy to ND in a carry situation. I think the drop issue is indeed fixed.
 
More people who’ve had NDs trying to get compensation for a mistake they made.

The SIG SAUER P320 series has to be one of the most vetted and rigorously tested handguns in human history at this point. The fact it is so popular means there are bound to be folks who ND with them.
 
I think @Targa and @GEM make good points. 1. All we read is allegations. 2. Sig’s insurer will likely settle the claim to avoid a trial and possible bad verdict. Likely that we will never know the facts. I am happy with my Rugers.
 
The pistol was in a Sherpa holster in her purse. I do not know the reliable facts but I would not own that model holster because it’s level 2 retentions centered on the trigger housing.
 
More people who’ve had NDs trying to get compensation for a mistake they made.

The SIG SAUER P320 series has to be one of the most vetted and rigorously tested handguns in human history at this point. The fact it is so popular means there are bound to be folks who ND with them.

I doubt it's better tested than the SAA, 1911, or 92FS. Compared to other service pistols its one of the newest and least proven, IMO.

And its got known issues, fixed allegedly but this is the dozenth incident like this. My bias is ND but other military service pistols owners don't even have to think about it, now do they.
 
If we are feeling charitable, we can accept that the claimants really do believe the gun "went off by itself". That it actually happened that way, though, strikes me as enormously unlikely.
 
Sig Sauer is being sued for an un-commanded discharge from a P320
Who has the burden of proof?

I wonder if the "un-commanded discharge" can be duplicated to show Sig was at fault?

There is discussion on law enforcement sources that her holster was a Serpa and had a gap that allowed access of something past the trigger guard, some crap in the purse. It seems not to be a dedicated carry purse.
And if the "un-commanded discharge" happened due to items in the purse ... Would Sig be liable?

I will be watching but leaning towards Sig.
 
This article (dated today) is pretty much saying the Sig P320 is causing the gun to fire spontaneously.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/y3d4gw/sig-sauer-handguns-p320-trigger-lawsuit-police

I don't know what exactly to make of it. Some of these individual instances with the P320 discharging seem to be a case of improper gun handling. Other don't seem as clear cut. I've never shot or dry fired one so I have no idea what the trigger is like. Is the trigger weight very light for a striker fired pistol? Is the travel distance particularly short?

I don't have any really interesting in buying one, but I'd like to know what's really going on here. Clearly there's some issue that is presenting itself with these particular pistols.

There are multiple lawsuits pending that allege experienced users of the P320 have had an accidental discharge and at least one police department has reversed its decision to equip its officers with that model. From my perspective, I think it's obvious that any weapon that is carried after its been cocked is more prone to an accidental discharge than one that's not. Hence, I prefer revolvers and DA/SA autoloaders over strikers. I won't be surprised if we see some police departments return to the tried-and-true DA/SA pistol.
 
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