San Antonio: an observation

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I stopped at a small store just outside Del Rio some years ago, and noticed a sign on the door that read, "Kindly holster gun and remove ski mask before entering store."

Had no choice but to comply, they asked so nicely.
 
We just renewed our CHLs and our instructor told us he had been in a restaurant (with a 30.06 sign) and their bar was partitioned off from the restaurant and had a 51% sign. He didn't mention the name of the restaurant, but if I see signs posted like that, guess who won't get any of our $.
 
One of the reasons for restricrive gun laws in Texas was "Reconstruction" If I remember my history correctly, many of the most restrictive laws date from the period after the "War of Northern Aggression" and it took some time to change of delete them.
 
It works this way, for me:

If they say you can't carry a concealed handgun, how are they going to know you have it if it's concealed? It's a bunch of nonsense. As long as it's concealed, carry away! Who's going to know anyway?
 
otcconan, I am not a moderator here, but please don't do that on THR. I cannot be a member of an organization that advocates or condones breaking the law.
 
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Texas did not have legal CCW until the 1990's, so there was no cause for most such signs, except for the warning of it being a felony to carry where alcohol was sold.
 
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If they say you can't carry a concealed handgun, how are they going to know you have it if it's concealed? It's a bunch of nonsense. As long as it's concealed, carry away! Who's going to know anyway?

Admitting to breaking the law on a public internet forum, especially one that's frequented by a lot of law enforcement people has got to be one of the dumbest things you could do.
 
I have only seen 30.06 signs at Taco Cabana restaurants.

Fortunately, Taco Cabana does not know all the legal requirements and they are not legal signs so I disregard them.

-Signs do not have lettering of 1 inch in height
-Not posted at every entrance
 
Fortunately, Taco Cabana does not know all the legal requirements and they are not legal signs so I disregard them.

-Signs do not have lettering of 1 inch in height
-Not posted at every entrance

Now just hang on a sec and the legal eagles will be along to tell you that all doesn't matter, that it's all about the "intent" of the owner.

I'm with you, the law seems to be pretty clear cut, but I don't want to be the test case on that one.
 
There have already been a couple of test cases. AFAIK all cases have been ruled that if there wasn't a sign visable at the entrance used then you are ok. Of course, you're still going to get arrested and put through the process so a court can say you're okay. #1 reason not to go to Grapevine Mills Mall up Dallas side.. they 'forgot' to put the signs on all the doors.
 
Anybody who thinks San Antonio is a bastion of liberalism probably never lived in a town that really was liberal. That really made me laugh.

The town is centered in a plethora of gun fun. Many gun stores - large and small. Lots of outdoor ranges and competitions galore within easy driving.

People are friendly and pretty multicultural. The matches are diverse and everyone is mellow.
 
San Antonio is a true blending of two cultures, Mexico and Texas, really the best of both. Add to that the strong military influence on the city and the thriving economy (the new Toyota plant, tourism, trade, ect...) and you have a very busy city moving forward but with very strong roots in the past.

Did anyone mention that it gets hot?
 
A lot of the "gun signs" in Texas are the ones posted in places that sell alky hall but don't meet the 51% rule. I think someone posted that sign earlier. It doesn't effect CHLs, it just makes things worse for someone who was carring sans CHL, which is illegal anyway.

But anyway. Texas is not the bastion of RKBA paradise people think it is. It's true that the laws here are very moderate compared to many other places (no state AWB, no registration requirements, etc.) but other states (such as AZ) are way ahead of us. There's no open carry, our permit is expensive, we have lots of weird weapons laws pertaining to non firearms (Bowie knives are illegal in Texas at least to carry so figure that out), and so on.

The problem stems from the fact that the post reconstruction state constitution was written to cripple the government as much as possible, so once the draconic weapons laws of old were put down, repealing them is just impossible because the state government is so bogged down. Normally a state government that can't get anything done is a good thing, but not when you're trying to pass reforms.

Things move slowly in our favor here thanks to the TSRA, which all Texans need to join. Every year we make a series of small but important gains, trying to gradually shift things in a better direction. Yeah, I'd rather have it all right now, but politically that ain't gonna happen. Texas is a very conservative state in the truest sense of the word: sweeping changes just don't happen, generally speaking.
 
Every city has a bad neighborhood or two. So what. If one chooses to walk down it at night, that's your own mental lapse.

It's like the guys who wondered whether they should carry in bars that have lots of fights when they are drinking. :rolleyes:
 
Now just hang on a sec and the legal eagles will be along to tell you that all doesn't matter, that it's all about the "intent" of the owner.

I'm with you, the law seems to be pretty clear cut, but I don't want to be the test case on that one.

I spoke with a manager at one of the stores and asked them why/who put the signs up. She said it was legal/corporate and it was for security reasons, of course (she was actually glad to have it up because of wackos with guns and she said she used to have a CHL... figure that one out).

She told me that every TC has the sign posted, but some are different locations, such as: inside near the manager's office/entrance to kitchen, outside by the drive-area, or on the doors.

The 30.06 Penal code was put in there for a reason. If the sign is not correct or if the sign is not where it is supposed to be, then it does not apply to anyone with a CHL.
 
Slinger,

What a small world. My daughter graduated from the same class. She was in the 320th Training Squadron.

I also live in SA. It's not perfect, but it is a very nice place to live. The member who said that it is the blend of two cultures is correct. I call it the biggest small town in the country.

We do love our military here.

Most of the signs I have seen in town are not the ones that are legally required to prohibit CHL holders from carrying there. I think that many of them are up to just make the uneducated feel good and the owners of the establishments know that the license holders know the difference.

While we do have some liberals in this town, it is still on the conservative side. Many of our Democrats are more right leaning than some of the republicans from other parts of the country.

I hope your son is doing well in tech school and that you get to see him again very soon. Tell him that we are all proud of him.

David
 
San Antonio is a true blending of two cultures, Mexico and Texas...

The two cultures I've seen blended there are Mexico and the US military (God bless 'em).

True story: Many years ago, a co-worker mentioned that her boyfriend was born in San Antonio. I asked her, "Okay, which is he--military brat or Mexican?"

She answered, "What a terrible stereotype!"

I said, "Yes, it is. So which is he?"

"Well...Mexican."

On a less silly note, there's also a lot of German culture there (when Texas became a republic, there were more Germans in San Antonio than any other group), and a lot of pretty cool things to do around there. They also have a decent public transportation system, unlike most Texas cities.
 
Congrats

Well done to your son.

I was actually a draft dodger, myself.

I cleverly joined the USAF to stay out of the Army.

:D
 
Macadore, the Taco Cabana signs are perfectly legal. No law against posting any sign you want on your own property.

They just don't meet the legal requirements to be notification that concealed handguns are not permitted. As an earlier poster mentioned, the type size is wrong and they may not be posted where they can be seen by every customer.

I figure that if a business really wants to prohibit legal concealed carry, they will post the legally required notification. If they don't post that, then they're not serious about it and are just trying to make the ignorant feel safer. That said, I don't go to TC any more since I don't like their attitude.
 
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