Savage 111 or Weatherby

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Razor_J

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Hi y’all. I've been shooting for some time now and my favorite bolt rifle is a early model savage 110 in 243 (yes I know that fits in a short action but this model was long action only during the years it was made). It has a Farrell base on it and a Nikon Monarch 4-16 with everything epoxied and lock-tited down. The thing is just darn accurate at 500 yards and I don’t see myself outgrowing its accuracy.

I have a 30-06 and have had a chance to shoot 300win, and 375 H&H. Those rifles are fun to shoot but since I have both received a promotion at work and have been contacted about scholarships for medical school I feel a little reward to myself is in order.

As it stands I travel for business staying a couple months at a time and bring my rifle along. I always end up in small towns in the Midwest and in the Rockies where shooting safely beyond a mile is a possibility. My company covers gas so driving a couple hours out of town to shoot is no skin off my nose.

I have read plenty of arguments about what caliber to get but I am very excited about the 338 Lapua, or one of the Weatherby calibers in 30, 338, or even 375. I do know they are expensive, hard kicking, and take commitment to shoot well. I felt it was important to understand the realities of using a rifle like this and have read as many realistic accounts of ownership of these rifles as possible.

I do not expect to hunt big game at outrageous distances. I am not good enough to do it ethically and I do not harbor any hope, spoken or unspoken, of being able to do so. Stalking is the fun part and though I am a pretty good shot I will not shoot an animal past 250 yards. I also do not secretly pretend/wish to be some benevolent civilian sniper and I do not seek that mystique. I love to shoot, I love the science of ballistics and I enjoy the tactile stimulation of a heavy kick, the dust cloud blasted up, and the impressive concussion wave from touching off one of these beasts.

That being said my choice has come down to a savage 111 in 338LM or a Weatherby in one of the above Weatherby calibers. The savage is going for roughly 1100 right now and my history with savage has been nothing but awesome. I also like the fact that this rifle has a barrel nut and I will enjoy the possibility of an easy barrel swap to a 378 Weatherby parent case sized caliber if the interest strikes me or I wear down the lapua barrel some time in the next 5 years or so. I hear good things about Weatherby and I do see gently used/new but older stock accumarks which are calling me at 2-400 more.

Does anyone think the Weatherby is worth the price? It is stainless (which I prefer) but it would be harder to change barrels on my own. I do not care for the savage 111 stock and would like to get another but there don’t seem to be too many options out there. With the Weatherby I can purchase a nice walnut stock, which I prefer over plastic, but I can also find premium polymer stocks that come with pillars and all that jazz for a superb bedding job which overall gives me more options. For me the detachable magazine of the savage is a moot point. I might use it but I usually single load my bullets. Seeing as I went through all the effort to make the bullet and shell sit true to one another and true to the bore axis I don’t like loading a mag and bouncing the bullet around the inside of the action during the bolt cycle. Thoughts?
 
I've owned both and have stuck with the Weatherby's They are expensive to load for but cheaper than the 338LM if you have to buy brass. The Weatherby's are guaranteed accurate. The WBYs also have terrific stock and I find the comb to align my eye with scopes very well. I am not a Weatherby nut. I own 6 or 7 of then but also own Savages, Winchesters, Rem 700s and a lone Ruger as far as centerires go.
 
When asked what he thought about the current trend in long range shooting, Ed Weatherby said "Just use a .300 Weatherby Magnum". A good alternative o the .338 Lapua is the
.30-378 WBY Mag. Shoots a lighter bullet, but cheaper, faster and flatter. It's really hard to go wrong with a Mark V.
 
I bought a Weatherby MK V in 338-378 last fall for elk season. It is an awesome rifle. NOT one regret in buying it. Now if I had to do it over again, I think I would still buy the Weatherby MK V but in 338 Lapua. The big Weatherby cartridge just doesn't have the aftermarket support that you get with the Lapua cartridge. Factory ammo is $140 a box for Weatherby ammo. Brass is $80 per 20 ($4.00 each) and from what I have read the Weatherby (Norma) brass is softer than the Lapua brass. I am going to reload and dies are hard to come by. I want to use the bushing dies and they are special order (25 weeks from Redding) and $300+. I am going to buy a set of bushing 30-378 dies and have them machined out to the 338.

I don't regret my purchasing of the 338-378 Weatherby. I can shoot the same bullet as the Lapua 100-150 FPS faster. But if I wasn't compensating for "something" I would have bought the Lapua. If I ever shoot this barrel out, I will have a 338 Lapua barrel installed in its place unless I have good luck with my Weatherby components.

hope this helps

Thomas
 
That Mark V Accumark in the big Lapua would be pretty sweet. It will come with an Accubrake personally I would like the JP Brake but it can be changed. Cost is more than the Savage by a good margin.

Good luck and shoot straight

Bob
 
I do not expect to hunt big game at outrageous distances. I am not good enough to do it ethically and I do not harbor any hope, spoken or unspoken, of being able to do so.
If you just want a gun in O E of the big magnum chamber inks because that's what you want, then go for it. You've gotten some good feedback already and I'm sure you'll get more.

OTOH, if your main goal is just to punch paper at ranges most of us can't, you might want to look at the something like the .260 Rem or other 6.5mm cartridges that are popular with long range target shooters. The .338 Lapa is a great cartridge if you need to put something down at 1000 yards, but it's awfully expensive and punishing for long target sessions.

Just something to think about. ;)
 
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