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Bob Locke
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I've got a 10FP in .308, and it's a tack driver. Shoots one ragged hole on three shot groups at 100 yards so long as I do my part.
Most will tell you to get a different trigger (though I think that Savage is offering different trigger groups now), and they're probably right. I guess I'm lucky in that my factory trigger is pretty good.
Anyway, for the money I'd say Savage is very, very hard to beat.
Most will tell you to get a different trigger (though I think that Savage is offering different trigger groups now), and they're probably right. I guess I'm lucky in that my factory trigger is pretty good.
Anyway, for the money I'd say Savage is very, very hard to beat.
IMHO, Savage is extremely underrated and always has been.
I compare them to Ruger quite often. Solidly built, reliable, accurate and probably the best gun for the money.
The only limiting factor has always been their trigger. Within the last year they have redesigned the trigger (now the ACCUTRIGGER) and I don't think I'll buy another brand.
Check out their website to learn more about it.
I have one of their older (1998) 11GLs in .308 that I had a trigger job done on and it's more than adequate for hunting. But with the addition of the new trigger, there's nothing that I wouldn't attempt with a Savage.
esheato...
I compare them to Ruger quite often. Solidly built, reliable, accurate and probably the best gun for the money.
The only limiting factor has always been their trigger. Within the last year they have redesigned the trigger (now the ACCUTRIGGER) and I don't think I'll buy another brand.
Check out their website to learn more about it.
I have one of their older (1998) 11GLs in .308 that I had a trigger job done on and it's more than adequate for hunting. But with the addition of the new trigger, there's nothing that I wouldn't attempt with a Savage.
esheato...
enichols
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As the last two posters have said, Savages are hard to beat for the money. I had a 110 .30-06 for awhile which was an excellent rifle, and then I traded it for a 10FP .308. My 10FP is easily a sub-MOA rifle if I do my part, and although it's a pre-accutrigger model the trigger is fairly easily adjusted so that mine is pretty nice. Savages are very accurate and well-built rifles and they are very well priced.
The only complaints I hear about Savage are the stock and trigger. The factory stock isn't the best, but there are numerous aftermarket stocks available and Savage offers their 10FP series with Choate and McMillan stocks. Granted, this jacks up the price a bit, but it's STILL a good deal when you consider that you're getting a great rifle package.
With the addition of the new Accutrigger, which is easily owner adjustable, once you get past that glock-like blade in the middle of the trigger it's great.
Buy a Savage rifle. Use the cash leftover for optics and ammo.
-Nic
The only complaints I hear about Savage are the stock and trigger. The factory stock isn't the best, but there are numerous aftermarket stocks available and Savage offers their 10FP series with Choate and McMillan stocks. Granted, this jacks up the price a bit, but it's STILL a good deal when you consider that you're getting a great rifle package.
With the addition of the new Accutrigger, which is easily owner adjustable, once you get past that glock-like blade in the middle of the trigger it's great.
Buy a Savage rifle. Use the cash leftover for optics and ammo.
-Nic
Pheonix
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I have a 112 in .308. All positive.
Buddy of mine got a 12FV in .223 for christmas, gonna busticate some ground hogs with it 
I handled it yesterday, and to be honest its one of the only centerfire rifles I've ever handled, and the only new one. But I was impressed. Fit and finish are top notch, really slick action and the trigger was the best I've ever used. Turning the bolt the first time really surprised me, its like its on a set of ball bearings.
The only place I could see any room for improvement was the synthetic stock was a little bit flimsy up around the barrel. Out towards the tip, you could just barely get it to make contact with the barrel (which is free floated, and super thick) with a firm grip. In a normal offhand grip, this isn't a problem and certainly not when your using a rest. I really doubt that it has any effect at all, but it still moves.
Looked down the bore and it was nice and clean.
I would not hesitate to buy a savage.
It was also my first time on a .223. Those little things are sweet, kicks like a .22 rimfire in that heavy rifle and those little pills are movin! Was shooting Winchester 45 grain varmint loads advertised at 3600fps. Hoping to try it on some water jugs and maybe a water mellon or two tommorrow after work
I handled it yesterday, and to be honest its one of the only centerfire rifles I've ever handled, and the only new one. But I was impressed. Fit and finish are top notch, really slick action and the trigger was the best I've ever used. Turning the bolt the first time really surprised me, its like its on a set of ball bearings.
The only place I could see any room for improvement was the synthetic stock was a little bit flimsy up around the barrel. Out towards the tip, you could just barely get it to make contact with the barrel (which is free floated, and super thick) with a firm grip. In a normal offhand grip, this isn't a problem and certainly not when your using a rest. I really doubt that it has any effect at all, but it still moves.
Looked down the bore and it was nice and clean.
I would not hesitate to buy a savage.
It was also my first time on a .223. Those little things are sweet, kicks like a .22 rimfire in that heavy rifle and those little pills are movin! Was shooting Winchester 45 grain varmint loads advertised at 3600fps. Hoping to try it on some water jugs and maybe a water mellon or two tommorrow after work
Dave Markowitz
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I have a Savage 93GL lefty bolt action in .22 Mag. It needs a trigger job but otherwise I am quite pleased with it. Some day I'll get a Savage 10FLP in .308.
Aside from the good value of their guns, as a southpaw I really appreciate that they have more left handed models in their lineup than any other manufacturer.
Aside from the good value of their guns, as a southpaw I really appreciate that they have more left handed models in their lineup than any other manufacturer.
Smoke
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Always liked a Savage.
Especially Mod. 99
Especially Mod. 99
Detritus
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i loved mine, as soon as i can afford such luxuries as a gun budget again i intend to buy one of the Accu-trigger equipped varmint guns either 12FV or a 10FP to replace the 110FP that i had to sell a few years ago.
Yes, the Factory synthetic stock is the only remaning defect in the Savage line. Bell & Carlson, Stockade (same as the stocks from Sharp shooter's supply), and others are making a decent living off of that thing. used to be the advice on how to get decent groups out of a heavy barrel savage was "take home order new trigger and new stock, swap new for old, shoot to heart's content" now with Accu-trigger you only need a livable stock.
(note: the following comentary is based on the personal experience of myself and 3-4 other Savage owners i have shot with/ spoken with at length. and reflects the experience of same. it is NOT nessisarily true of all eamples of the Savage)
It DOES make a difference, and depending on the shooter it can be a HUGE difference. the black synth Savage stock is overly flexible enough to amplify or exacerbate any mistake or even small change in how the shooter holds the rifle. something as simple as "i think i'll try it from the bipod today instead of the rest" can lead to a fairly large shift in POI and/or a disturbing change in group size.
as for my own personal experience with this aspect, the gun was good enough for what i'd been using it for (300yds and under, with no "serious" groups done beyound 1-150) but i DID notice that if i wasn't exceedingly careful about how I interacted with the rifle that my flyers increased and the groups grew by up to 50% or more.
Now that i belong to a club with a decent 600yard range and am thinking of participating in the monthly 3x600 "F-class" matches, when i buy my next one, i'll probably sell the factory stock to my FFL to either offset the cost of the aftermarket unit or simply trade it for more "break-in ammo".
In other words the Savage is a great gun, but the synth stocked ones are on a VERY iffy stock (savage laminated stocks are great i understand). the units that are ont eh FV and FP models are OK to start out with, to get teh gun broken in and to get shooting, but a serious shooter should be saving for the replacement unit almost as soon as if not before the rifle arrives at the FFL.
Yes, the Factory synthetic stock is the only remaning defect in the Savage line. Bell & Carlson, Stockade (same as the stocks from Sharp shooter's supply), and others are making a decent living off of that thing. used to be the advice on how to get decent groups out of a heavy barrel savage was "take home order new trigger and new stock, swap new for old, shoot to heart's content" now with Accu-trigger you only need a livable stock.
(note: the following comentary is based on the personal experience of myself and 3-4 other Savage owners i have shot with/ spoken with at length. and reflects the experience of same. it is NOT nessisarily true of all eamples of the Savage)
It DOES make a difference, and depending on the shooter it can be a HUGE difference. the black synth Savage stock is overly flexible enough to amplify or exacerbate any mistake or even small change in how the shooter holds the rifle. something as simple as "i think i'll try it from the bipod today instead of the rest" can lead to a fairly large shift in POI and/or a disturbing change in group size.
as for my own personal experience with this aspect, the gun was good enough for what i'd been using it for (300yds and under, with no "serious" groups done beyound 1-150) but i DID notice that if i wasn't exceedingly careful about how I interacted with the rifle that my flyers increased and the groups grew by up to 50% or more.
Now that i belong to a club with a decent 600yard range and am thinking of participating in the monthly 3x600 "F-class" matches, when i buy my next one, i'll probably sell the factory stock to my FFL to either offset the cost of the aftermarket unit or simply trade it for more "break-in ammo".
In other words the Savage is a great gun, but the synth stocked ones are on a VERY iffy stock (savage laminated stocks are great i understand). the units that are ont eh FV and FP models are OK to start out with, to get teh gun broken in and to get shooting, but a serious shooter should be saving for the replacement unit almost as soon as if not before the rifle arrives at the FFL.
chevrofreak
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Question, is it safe to shoot 7.62 milsurp in a Savage .308 rifle?
ocabj
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http://www.fulton-armory.com/308.htm
Read this page for info on 7.62x51 vs .308 for clarification. Generally, it is safe.
Personally, I wouldn't. My first 100 rounds in my Savage 10FP in .308 where Federal GMM 168 and 175. I started using handloads after that.
Most military surplus .308/7.62 is 150gr designed to be shot in battle rifles like FALs and M-14s, and the ammo is not designed for accuracy. If you want to plink, it would make sense to use milsurp. But you don't really plink with a bolt action .308.
I bought a Savage 10FP-LE2 with Accutrigger several months ago. I changed out the stock for a Bell & Carlson for $90 after a month. Just a few weeks ago I placed an order for a McMillan A-5 (10-12 week lead time). You will definitely not like the stock on the LE2 (cheapie stock). If you can, go with the LE2B. It comes with a McMillan A-3 stock if I am correct. From what I've heard, you can get it for $650. The LE2 goes for about $475. The cost difference for the stock is definitely worth it. If you do not plan on getting another stock after you buy the gun, you should go with the LE2B.
Read this page for info on 7.62x51 vs .308 for clarification. Generally, it is safe.
Personally, I wouldn't. My first 100 rounds in my Savage 10FP in .308 where Federal GMM 168 and 175. I started using handloads after that.
Most military surplus .308/7.62 is 150gr designed to be shot in battle rifles like FALs and M-14s, and the ammo is not designed for accuracy. If you want to plink, it would make sense to use milsurp. But you don't really plink with a bolt action .308.
I bought a Savage 10FP-LE2 with Accutrigger several months ago. I changed out the stock for a Bell & Carlson for $90 after a month. Just a few weeks ago I placed an order for a McMillan A-5 (10-12 week lead time). You will definitely not like the stock on the LE2 (cheapie stock). If you can, go with the LE2B. It comes with a McMillan A-3 stock if I am correct. From what I've heard, you can get it for $650. The LE2 goes for about $475. The cost difference for the stock is definitely worth it. If you do not plan on getting another stock after you buy the gun, you should go with the LE2B.
Detritus
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short answer... YES
better answer... read this thread (or any of it's various interations)
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=49373&highlight=7.62+Vs+.308
edited to add
just reread the above thread, i think it needs a little translation (ie some folks got real ummm "dealing with the posterior orifice" about some aspects of teh debate)....
unless you have an excessivly tight (or intentionally tight as in match gun) chamber, military ammo should be just fine to put through a .308 .
7.62 NATO is a lower pressure loading than many regular .308 loads.
and most times the warning in the manuals of civvy .308 rifles is a CYA action by the company in case they wind up sending out a gun with a chamber at teh tight end of spec. and someone puts some really crapola and possibly WAY overpressure foreign Mil-surp ammo in it.
as with all such things there is ALWAYS a possiblity that something could cock up (remember we're dealing with objects that are esentially a way to harness an explosion to do work). but if you are aware of such things as signs of ecessive pressure, AND are intelligent enough to cease and disist if such occur. you;re not going to blow you're face off.
to sum it up in truth you run no greater risk shooting mil;-spec ammo through a .308 than you would shooting commercial reloads.
BTW just a note on Fulton Armory in general. (that most likely does not apply to the link posted by ocabj, but nonetheless) they are NOT exactly well know for full honesty and candor.
P95Carry
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I can only add ....... was lucky enough to get this 99C out of a raffle two or three years ago. It's in .243 and was out of ther box superb. OK, trigger not totally perfect but well adequate and with a small investment of time could be improved ...... I haven't felt need to bother yet.
Got it scoped and sighted with one box of factory 100 grn ... went on then to load my own ....... 33.9 grns Vit N-140 behind a 105 grn Speer plain base SP ...... that shoots even better than factory.
I would have no real hesitation in getting another Savage.
Got it scoped and sighted with one box of factory 100 grn ... went on then to load my own ....... 33.9 grns Vit N-140 behind a 105 grn Speer plain base SP ...... that shoots even better than factory.
I would have no real hesitation in getting another Savage.
love my FP10 with the Accutrigger!!! only think I changed was the stock (love the choate sniper stock) and still came out pretty cheap, and have a real nice accurate rifle....
only 50 yards, but you get the point (and it was my first time out with the rifle):
only 50 yards, but you get the point (and it was my first time out with the rifle):
cslinger
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I have a 10FP in .308 with a Choate Varmint stock on it. I do not have the Accutrigger but my best group was right around a half an inch at 100 yards. This was with Black Hills 168grain Boat Tail Hollow Point ammo.
I am very new to any kind of precision shooting and I cannot get that consistently but it is the shooter not the rifle.
I do not have the Accutrigger but mine is not bad. I may eventually drop in an aftermarket adjustable trigger but all in all I am thrilled.
I do agree that the stock.....well stock....is flimsy. It would cause strange flyers based on how I held the gun while shooting.
I really have nothing bad to say about Savage. Everybody I know who owns one is very happy and didn't spend an arm and a leg.
Mine is set up with the Choate stock, BSquare Bi-Pod and a Burris 3-10 adujustable scope and was all done for roughly $800.
Chris
I am very new to any kind of precision shooting and I cannot get that consistently but it is the shooter not the rifle.
I do not have the Accutrigger but mine is not bad. I may eventually drop in an aftermarket adjustable trigger but all in all I am thrilled.
I do agree that the stock.....well stock....is flimsy. It would cause strange flyers based on how I held the gun while shooting.
I really have nothing bad to say about Savage. Everybody I know who owns one is very happy and didn't spend an arm and a leg.
Mine is set up with the Choate stock, BSquare Bi-Pod and a Burris 3-10 adujustable scope and was all done for roughly $800.
Chris
I have a 110FP topped with a Leupold 3x9, first time out (last weekend) I shot a 200 yard 3 shot group that measured .411" center to center with federal match 168gr HPBT. To say I was happy would be an understatement. No, I don't know if I can repeat the group. But I'm going to try.
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