Savage's "AccuTrigger"...?

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Savage centerfire rifles seem to be about the best value out there for a good shooting "meat gun".

I'm pretty happy with the two Savage rifles I own. A Model 110 (a .243 purchased for my son) and a Model 111 FL (my personal lefty 25.06).

I've had a replacement trigger installed on my 25.06 and I'll probably put one on the .243 some day. Savage's factory triggers (on my guns annyway) were not so good (out-of-the-box).

I'm thinking of getting another .243 for my step daughter. The current line-up of Savage rifles look to have what thay call the "AccuTrigger". It's supposed to be a great adjustable factory trigger. Does anyone have any experience with this trigger?

Thanks.

Bob
 
I know at least a few people on here have Savage guns with the Accutrigger and they've had nothing but rave reviews. I've heard on more than one occasion that people wouldn't buy a Savage without the accutrigger.
 
I have a 12FV with the accutrigger, and I love it. Realizing it's a factory trigger, I'd say with some confidence it's one of the best triggers I've ever felt on a hunting rifle.

It does have that "glock-like" center safety spline, but once you get used to depressing it to get to the second stage, or the real trigger mechanism, it's the cat's meow. I have mine at a decent 2lbs, which is for varmint hunting, but even at 2lbs it breaks like glass and feels very light. It's also a very safe trigger, which is nice too.
 
quite good IMHO

Sir,

unfortunatley I own only one Savage rifle. The model 10FP in .308 Win.
I really like the Accu-Trigger. It's adjustable from 2.5 lbs to 6 lbs if I remember correctly.
The accuracy potential of this rifle lies with the shooter and not the gun. ;)

I can only highly recommend it.
 
It's adjustable from 2.5 lbs to 6 lbs if I remember correctly.

This from Savage:

In most centerfire hunting models for 2004, the AccuTriggerâ„¢ is adjustable from approximately 2 1/2 lbs to 6 lbs, giving the shooter the flexibility to set the trigger pull to individual preference without paying a gunsmith to adjust the trigger. In the 12 Series Varmint and Law Enforcement Series, the AccuTriggerâ„¢ is adjustable from approximately 1 1/2lbs to 6lbs.
 
I hear people raving all the time about the Accutrigger, but I think the best factory triggers ever come on CZ centerfires. Mine feels like about 2lbs when not set and about 6oz when set. Although on my hunting rifle I have the trigger set at 2.75lbs and it's just about perfect for hunting when the excitement makes me not notice the trigger pull at all.
 
Accutriggers are a compromise, foisted on the public by liability lawyers.

And too many folks forget what a good trigger is all about, pre-lawyer days. So they're happy with some Glock-like widget installed in their trigger that they have to pull through before they get that nice 2-pound pull. They even consider it a good thing, and rave about how wonderful it is. :(

Thankfully, there's a fix to that.

Go from this:
AccuTrigger.jpg


To this:
SAV-2.jpg


Here: http://www.riflebasix.com/accutrigger.html
 
I have the AccuTrigger on a 10FP-LE2B. I think the trigger is sweet. This is a bench gun and I'm not a hunter so I couldn't tell you if it would be good in a hunting rig or not. My guess is that it would be. The best factory trigger I've ever used by far. It's very easy to adjust with the supplied tool. I'm sure there are better triggers out there for a price but I'm happy with the factory unit.

Shabo
 
I have the 10FLP w/Accutrigger and I plan on getting a 11FLP soon. The Accutrigger is all that you hear and more and when combined with the rest of the rifle - what more could you want?

I can see how traditonalists might not like the "glock like" trigger safety. It took me a little while to get use to it. However, it does work and is easy to forget about. What Gewehr98 posted is interesting, from an aesthetics standpoint, but the neat thing about the Accutrigger is that it doesn't need any aftermarket trigger work like other brands.

Get the Savage, I have a Remington and a Browning and they have become gunsafe queens.
 
Thanks for all the great feedback...

I think the trigger is a large part of the "battle" for most shooters.

I have a number of guns with good to very good factory triggers. (and some with awful triggers!)

Regarding some of the more modern triggers, I can warm up nicely to my Glock 21 (I even manage to shoot it fairly well) with a few minutes of "thinking" thru the trigger. I've found some (not all) of the "modern" triggers can be shot with a little attention to technique and a little practice.

For me, it really get's back to thinking thru the process of pulling the trigger. I need to remind myself (especially when I'm tired) to "squeeze that trigger like it's an eye-dropper and you want just ONE drop" (an instructor suggested this one time and it's always worked for me).

Several of my guns have been re-fitted with non-standard triggers. My AR-10 & AR-15 both have sweet Jewel 2-stage triggers (I could not warm up to the military style triggers these guns came with).
I've had a custom trigger installed in my Savage 25.06.

With all the great comments regarding the AccuTrigger, I think I'll check out one of the Savages. The value Savage offers (and now with this new & improved trigger) makes it difficult for me to seriously consider another gun at this time. If my step-daughter really gets into rifle shooting/hunting and does not appreciate the Savage, I guess she can invest in another gun...but I expect that this will be her first and last deer rifle.

Thanks again for all the great/informative replies!!!

Bob
 
That kind of makes my point.

The best factory trigger I've ever used by far. It's very easy to adjust with the supplied tool. I'm sure there are better triggers out there for a price but I'm happy with the factory unit.

How's that old saying go? "When good enough is the enemy of best..."

Maybe I'm dating myself. I've got a couple Remington 700's, one an older BDL, and a newer 700 PSS - factory guns with factory triggers. They've both adjusted to a crisp, clean pull, without benefit of an additional "pre-trigger". I've got other rifles with Timney, Shilen, Canjar, and Jewell triggers that feel like a proverbial glass rod breaking. So I believe it's more than aesthetics that drive me to feel the way I do about the silly Savage Accu-Trigger. The trigger is probably the most influential part of the accuracy equation in a rifle. One shouldn't have to compromise when it comes to that essential part, especially to keep the lawyers happy. Even Remington recognized their folly, and got rid of the locking bolt shroud shenanigans on their recent run of Model 700 rifles.

What scares me is that people will think the next generation's trigger is the best they've ever bumped into, even when the factory-supplied fingerprint or retina scanner's batteries die. :scrutiny:

Then again, perhaps we're not describing a discriminating gun buyer who walks into Wal-Mart or Sports Authority, and finds a Remington 710 or Savage Accu-Trigger rifle on sale. :(
 
One shouldn't have to compromise when it comes to that essential part, especially to keep the lawyers happy.

Although I wish this was true - it is not the world we live in (Remington, S&W, Taurus, Springfield Armory, etc.). With regards to the Accutrigger, again, it comes down to personal likes and dislikes. It is not argument regarding the accuracy potential of the Savage.

I've got other rifles with Timney, Shilen, Canjar, and Jewell triggers that feel like a proverbial glass rod breaking.

Yes, I played with these as well on my 700 and Browning. They are great but we had to spend a bunch of bucks on replacement triggers and on other accurizing mod's to get them to shoot as well as the Savage does out of the box.

What scares me is that people will think the next generation's trigger is the best they've ever bumped into, even when the factory-supplied fingerprint or retina scanner's batteries die.

Same thing could be said about "aftermarket" triggers when they first came out or hollow points over FMJ's or smokeless over blackpowder.

So I believe it's more than aesthetics that drive me to feel the way I do about the silly Savage Accu-Trigger.

Have you actually shot a Savage with the Accutrigger? It is a personal preference and personal aesthetics because the Accutrigger will deliver the same performance as the above mentioned aftermarkets. With 2 exceptions:

1. The "pre-trigger" which some like and some dislike. That is fine but it is a subjective feeling and is not an indication of its performance. True, you may have no faith in it - therefore you will shoot poorly but that is the individual and not the system.

2. You get a trigger that comes standard, on the rifle, that has the same or better performance of the more costly aftermarkets.

Then again, perhaps we're not describing a discriminating gun buyer who walks into Wal-Mart or Sports Authority, and finds a Remington 710 or Savage Accu-Trigger rifle on sale.

That comment was tasteless. I think the post was about a Dad who was looking for a great, out of the box accurate, and reliable rifle for his daughter. There are a lot of factors that play into one's decision into buying a firearm and they do not have to be the same as yours or mine.

discriminating gun buyer

Discriminating? Show me a Blaser, not a Browning (Ford) or a Remington (Chevy).....


I do respect what you have said about being able to get excellent performance from aftermarkets and if you don't like the "pre-trigger" it is a viable option. However, it is fallacious argument when you imply that the Accutrigger does not measure up in the accuracy department or is somehow a "peasants" rifle for the non-discriminating.
 
Let's play a game! Let's ignore Gewehr98's posts because he offers no personal experience with the accutrigger (the very point of the thread), and sets about telling us why after market triggers are better. And, oh yes, how triggers used to be better.

Ugh.
 
Could be construed as tasteless, certainly.

Have you actually shot a Savage with the Accutrigger?

Yup. BTW, Swingset, pay attention, after which point you're more than welcome to say "Ugh" and then add me to your ignore list: As a range safety officer I got to try several different Accu-Trigger rifles, which I did just in case the first was a fluke. I found all of them distasteful in their own special, politically correct sort of way. It felt more uncomfortable than the proverbial priest at a Boy Scout jamboree. The actual descriptive term used was not repeatable in a forum that includes non-heterosexual company. Which was a shame, the guns grouped rather well, given the funky trigger mechanicals. Savage knows how to make a decent-shooting gun, my old Model 340 reminded me of that fact time and again. As someone who's gun collection numbers in the hundreds, and the majority of those are centerfire rifles, you can wager I would know how to give an objective evaluation from one rifle to the next. If a gun doesn't shoot well, I get rid of it. And that's whether it's a Stolle Panda benchrest rifle, or Winchester 94 levergun.

Now, while I have no obligation to answer to you, let's get this out there in front. The gentleman who authored this thread asked an honest question concerning experiences with the Savage Accu-Trigger. I gave an honest response, based on my own experiences with that product. Sorry it didn't fall in line with what others in the thread said, or it gave cause to question my credibility. (Actually, I'm not really sorry) That makes me a bad person, I suppose. Yet another one hiding behind the anonymity of an internet alias, as it were. If that means I'm off Steelhead's and Swingset's Christmas Card list, then oh friggin' well. :scrutiny:

And I'll repeat: For people who haven't experienced better, it may very well be the best trigger they've ever found on a factory rifle. I'm not disparaging them their choice, because it's probably all the gun that their budgets would allow for, and there were no Remington 700's and 7's within visual range when they made the decision. But as I stated before, I do find it a sad commentary of our times when "good enough is the enemy of best". Savage didn't have to go with the monkey-motion trigger - their earlier triggers could be adjusted to something less than a bazillion pounds pull, without benefit of the unneeded interlock. Were I the owner or CEO of Savage, I'd have the engineers and designers of that thing run out of town on a rail, period. But, luckily for Savage, I'm not, and so they can proceed to keep the consumer frog in that pot of increasingly-warm water, knowing full well that the frog's comfort level with the pre-trigger will level off with time. The guns will sell. So will Remington 710's.

Too many of us old-timers grew up as kids shooting rifles like Winchester Model 52's and Remington 513's/521's, with exquisite factory triggers, and then graduated to the larger centerfire versions from the same manufacturers, again, with decent, no-nonsense triggers. These weren't high-dollar Anschutz-grade target guns, they were working-man's guns meant to put venison on the table. And we did just fine doing that, sans any additional trigger interlocks, or hammer-block safeties on our lever guns, for that matter.

For somebody who's been used to shooting rifles with "normal" triggers, the new Savage may very well be unnerving. The gun has potential, so don't let the trigger put you off. It can be fixed. I don't take any money from Rifle Basix or any other aftermarket trigger company, but neither do I mind clueing somebody in on that last little modification that makes an otherwise excellent product darned near perfect.
 
Playing the victim routine by pointing out how you were just trying to offer a solution to a problem - doesn't cut it. That was not the tone of your post.

I mainly take offense when someone comes off condenscending or self righteous which you did in many of your initial statements and continued to do so in your second post.

For example:
And I'll repeat: For people who haven't experienced better, it may very well be the best trigger they've ever found on a factory rifle. I'm not disparaging them their choice, because it's probably all the gun that their budgets would allow for, and there were no Remington 700's and 7's within visual range when they made the decision.

Despite owning 100's of rifles and being a range officer - it is still an opinion and while it might be correct in your experience it does not have to be so for others.

I'll still send a Christmas Card (though I doubt I will get one back) and I'm not going to ignore your posts since I enjoy reading and learning from them (most of the time).

Peace
 
Thanks again folks...

I have learned a great deal reading the different replies. I'm looking forward to trying one of these new Savage guns so I can decide if it's worth the money.

Today, I try to buy from local dealers as I try to support local business people who support our sport.

I have to admit, over the years I've spent a few of my gun dollars in Wally-World. One such purchase, my son's Savage .243 (pre-AccuTrigger). A black plastic stocked (not so pretty) .243. It' still still all stock and to me, not all that fun to shoot (trigger-wise) but I've lost count of the number of new shooters and kids who whacked their first (and second) deer with that accurate shoot'n, easy on the shoulder gun. I also bought my dad a sweet Mossberg 835 at Wally World (which he's used to kill a number of Wild Turkey)...when you load it with 3 1/2's it's NOT easy on the shoulder!

I hope a local dealer can work up a good deal on one of these Savage rifles (assuming I go that way)...it's where I'd prefer to do my business.

Best wishes to all who posted. Thanks!!!

Bob
 
Hi folks, sorry to hijack this thread, but I've been thinking about having an accutrigger installed on the Savage 10FP rifle that I've owned for many years. It's a nice rifle but terrible trigger. What's the best place to get one for the best price? I was going to order one and have a gunsmith install it on my Savage. How much do they go for?

Thanks for any info.
 
I think it would be a good idea to first understand what the Accu Trigger is. It is a means of blocking the sear in the event that a too-light pull lets the firing pin drop without the finger being on the trigger. It performs exactly the same function as the half-cock notch on guns like the 1911-type pistols.

I does not LIGHTEN the pull, it ALLOWS THE PULL TO BE LIGHTENED, without danger, beyond what would otherwise be the danger point. The effect may be the same but the idea is different.

The original Savage trigger is not the world's worst, but it is long and usually somewhat creepy. It is adjustable only within limits and reducing the sear engagement will allow the rifle to fire if it is dropped or bumped when cocked with the safety off. Stoning the surfaces works, but also can lead to an unsafe trigger. The Accu Trigger eliminates that problem.

Jim
 
Gewehr,

as was hashed out (what about a year ago?) some folks aren't grasping that you've stated your oppinion and that yours is an oppinoin that sees the Accu-trigger as a not-so-good thing. you're vocal about it and to some you come across as demeaning of a device that they find to be right up their alley and just about perfect for THEIR needs.

neither side of this disagreement is going to truly see the other's point of veiw "in full". Continuing to try to do so will ONLY alienate them from your veiw further. and you sure as heck aren't going to change your mind on this subject.

so for the sake of keeping this on track can well agree to accept what has been said as oppinion and leave it at that? otherwise this will only get ugly


as for where i stand on this, i guess i'm out here with the yellow line and the dead armadillos...

I WILL be getting a one of the heavy barrel savages with the accu-trigger. then as time and money allow I plan on sending it off to be worked over by SharpShooter's Supply and get one of their triggers put on along with a number of other "nice to haves" that i want.

i DO agree that the accu-trigger is not as good as the factory triggers of days past nor as good as a quality aftermarket unit. but not everyone has the how shall we say "need/want/desire" for this that you do. you DO come across asn a bit harch in stating your case, but in no way to i feel that some of the comments directed at you due to your feelings on this matter were in any way warranted.
it may make me sound like a "goody two shoes, don't wanna hurt any feelings type" but sometimes folks here seem to go out of their way to goad each other or unnecessarily demean each other. and i feel that this is the Wrong way to treat each other.
 
I've been thinking about having an accutrigger installed on the Savage 10FP rifle that I've owned for many years.


unless things have changed drasticly in the past 6 months, that can't be done...

the switch to accu-triger required a change in how the receiver is made, the NON- accu-trigger receivers can not be retrofitted with the new trigger unit.

what you CAN do is get an aftermarket unit such as the riflebasix or Sharpshooter's supply units, that will drasticly improve the trigger pull. SSS has already converted all of their units to fit either receiver (to fit an A-T receiver the front edge of the side plates on the assembly had to be trimmed slightly to allow the unit to be mounted)
the replacement units of course do away with the sear block device and with one exception (the SSS "benchrest" which is a target gun only unit) use the original safety and are still as safe if not safer than the original style units.
 
posted by Stephen T
Hi folks, sorry to hijack this thread, but I've been thinking about having an accutrigger installed on the Savage 10FP rifle that I've owned for many years. It's a nice rifle but terrible trigger. What's the best place to get one for the best price? I was going to order one and have a gunsmith install it on my Savage. How much do they go for?
did you go to the link on my post?
 
I own a Savage 10FP-LE2 dropped into a McMillan A-5. The Accutrigger is definitely a good trigger. I've heard some people don't like the Glock-like mechanism on the trigger which acts as a sear block. I personally don't mind it.

But I don't see how the sear block mechanism on the trigger negatively affects trigger pull for the shooter. It's not like it alters the way your finger pulls the trigger.

I bought another 10FP on this board for a .260 Remington buildup. I sold the barrel already and will be ordering a .260 barrel from SSS in November.
 
accu-trigger for old Savages

StephenT: I don't believe you can put an Accu-trigger on a Savage not designed for one. You have to adjust the existing trigger or buy a special-made replacement.

BTW, just as a comment, Gewehr98 has more experience and BTDT than most of us will ever get. I'd think it over REAL carefully before venturing to disagree with him, then be REAL polite doing it.
 
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