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SCAM alert- gunlistings.org

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Motega, Jun 17, 2012.

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  1. Motega

    Motega Member

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    This guy took photos from a current gunbroker auction :

    http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=291389380

    and then created a fake listing at http://www.gunlistings.org/colorado...fs_colt_python_elite_6_stainless__.357_magnum

    I contacted the person and they sent me a fake military ID and asked me to send a $1200 money order to

    NAME: DANIELLE GAMACHE
    ADDRESS: 302 S.RUSSELL St. Apt #3
    CITY: AVA
    STATE: ILLINOIS
    ZIPCODE: 62907

    and called my prepaid cell with a number that came up gave the phone number : 314-338-4617. He called my cell phone with that phone number so apparently it is a working number, I'm sure a prepaid cell impossible to track.

    I called the county sheriff and the deputy I spoke with said they don't have the manpower to pursue it.
    I asked the guy to take a photo of himself holding up his phone number and I would run right out to my bank that is open on Sunday and get a money order, hopefully his greed will overcome his common sense and I will be able to post a photo of this thief.

    Be on the lookout for anyone using any combination of these credentials.Whatever you do though, don't let your sense of decency or justice prompt you to call that cell phone at all hours of the night, that wouldn't be very nice.
     

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  2. Salmoneye

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    Love it!

    Keep up the good work!
     
  3. hjh45acp

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    Very good work. I am glad you followed up almost got burned once my self.
     
  4. rcmodel

    rcmodel Member in memoriam

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    Did you report him to Gunbroker and Gunlistings?

    And maybe the Department of the Army and Homeland Security.

    Using a fake military ID is real serious business anymore!!

    Postol inspectors might have an interest too since he wants you to mail him a check.

    Also, look at the guys other auction listings.
    http://www.gunlistings.org/user-view.php?emailid=19932

    He lives all over the country!

    rc
     
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  5. Crusader103

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    Your local sheriff's office may not have the manpower but Army CID (Criminal Investigations Division) probably will. They do have the capacity and authority, as well as a strong interest, to go after the perp whether civilian or military based upon his use of the purported military ID.

    Either call the Army post nearest you or try these:

    http://www.cid.army.mil/units_conus.html

    It is a listing of all CID commands nationwide.
     
  6. Sig Bill

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    I seen that before but I don't remember where from. It's the same scam (same name and pic) and had been reported but I'm surprised it's going again.
     
  7. monet61

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    I'm really glad that you guys know how to spot these dirtbags and inform us.
    Most of us, I'm sure, don't think of scams when we see something that seems to be legit.
    Anyhow, thanks.
     
  8. rcmodel

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    I also noticed on Gunlistings.org there is no way to view the sellers feedback from previous sales.

    I would avoid an auction site that doesn't show seller feedback ratings like the plague!!!

    rc
     
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    Motega: I can`t agree more on calling the CID. The Cid has helped me many times and they have the resources to presue this matter at a different level than local or state lawenforcement. I will be very surprised if they will not help you. The CID has helped me many times and there many talents are just outstanding. Just call your nearest ARMY POST and ask to speak to them. GOOD LUCK TO YOU: ken
     
  10. paintballdude902

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    it is now illegal to photo copy a military id. the layout is completely wrong.....

    forward it to the fbi
     
  11. steveno

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    I know my military ID didn't have "Geneva Convention Identification" on it. unless that is something new that would have been the first thing that I noticed. the fact that it had a woman's name for what looks like a guy unless it is pronounced different.
     
  12. Jorg Nysgerrig

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    That seems strange My old laminated active duty and reserve cards from over 20 years ago had that on it in the border on the bottom and several .mil sites show several samples of the newer cards with the same thing as the picture above has (save they have "Conventions" instead of "Convention"):

    https://ia.signal.army.mil/IAF/IASOLesson15.asp
    http://www.dodlive.mil/index.php/20...t-id-cards/army-mil-104075-2011-04-04-090414/
    https://secureweb2.hqda.pentagon.mil/mpd/Default.aspx
    http://www.doncio.navy.mil/chips/ArticleDetails.aspx?ID=3381
    http://www.drum.army.mil/mountaineer/Article.aspx?ID=5253

    And some pictures of the older style ones:
    http://www.cac.mil/uniformed-services-id-card/
    http://bsidneysmith.com/images/self/military id.jpg

    Looking at some old ones online, it looks like they added it to DD Form 2A (the ID card) sometime between the form revisted 1959 (the ones that didn't have it) and the one revised in 1979.

    Maybe they removed it for awhile?
     
  13. Motega

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    I am going to follow up as suggested with CID... unfortunately for this guy I just had back surgery and have all the time in the world to track him down. I asked for the photo of him holding his phone number and he said he wasn't at home "so I had my wife do it". This is going to the sheriff in the AM and I will start the ball rolling with other authorities. It is possible this is in fact the scammer, or it could be a naive (or not so innocent) friend. Hopefully I'll get another photo out of him and maybe the local sheriff can put the 2 faces together somehow.
     

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    I was got out of the air force in 1973 so I guess things have changed. there was no such things as a bar code on them
     
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    The ID card says he is a Sergeant which is E-5 pay grade not OF3 ??? If that's a picture of his wife, he is already being punished!! LOL Now she is involved in the criminal activity as well, oh well keep us advised and thank you.
    John
     
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    Wow, this is interesting. Keep us apprised!
     
  17. Jorg Nysgerrig

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    That would explain it. My guess is that they must have updated it in 1979 to add that then. It would made sense they didn't update the form from 1959 until 1979. I'm not sure when they added the barcode and all the other features
     
  18. rcmodel

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    I noticed that too.

    OF3 is the NATO equivalent of an Army Captain (Pay grade O-3 or OE-3).

    rc
     
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    I am going to sticky this thread for the time being so we can all keep track of developments. Good on ya for busting this guy!
     
  20. Motega

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    it really "Grinds my gears" (to steal an expression from Peter Griffin) that he emailed about a half dozen other photos showing the same soldier he is pretending to be. On base, etc. If you Google "fake military ID" the same person is shown in a bunch of photos. It's especially shameful that someone is using the likeness of a man in our military to commit these acts of fraud. I don't want to upload the other photos to further spread his face around the internet. Gunlistings has blocked his IP and address and he didn't respond to my second request for a photo of himself but I'll try again to get him to send another photo.
     
  21. Sig Bill

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    Y'all are pointing out inconsistencies that was reported before so it's the same scam. When you mentioned gunlistings then I remembered where it came from, this is it.

    Good goings guys but I don't understand why he wasn't busted already. They said they were going to get him. Turned out he's still scamming but a pic of his wife(?) with the phone no is a new one.
     
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    My current I'd card has a bar code of some sort on the back it's one of the things they look at when I go on base.
    But unless things have changed a bunch that Geneva card isn't used as id.
     
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    If you look really closely at his picture it seems like his left arm is sticking out like he is holding a camera to take the picture
     
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    This guy is terrible at fake IDs, luckily for the people he's trying to scam. I see at least 6 things wrong with his ID right off the bat. The big tip offs are the rank/pay grade mismatch and the issue date vs the expiration date (a real ID isn't good for anywhere near the 9 years on his).

    There's other differences with the newer IDs I won't bother mentioning.

    Just for the lulz, ask him to send you a DA31 with his digital signature on it.
     
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    Mind if I repost this on another board?
     
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