scope mount for a kalshnikov

[BunnMan]

I picked up a Vepr 2 in .223 from Robinson years back and was thinking of scoping it to see what kind of accuracy I can get out of it compared to my AR. Does anyone have any experince with scope mounts for these rifles? Is the accessory rail a good place to hang a weaver adapter? I want it removable.

Thanks,

-BunnMan

 

[WardenWolf]

Your best choice is the UTG 978 leverlock mount. It's the cheapest and lightest solution, and also gives you a longer rail than some more expensive mounts. You could spend a lot more money and get a mount that's lower, but they're a waste of money because whatever scope you get has to clear the rear sight. A 3-9x40 with medium rings or 3-9x32 with low rings will clear the rear sight with just millimeters to spare. You literally cannot get a lower mount without getting higher rings. These mounts are rock-solid and can handle even 7.62x54R recoil.

http://www.amazon.com/UTG-Quick-Det...e=UTF8&qid=1371141364&sr=8-1&keywords=utg+978

For scopes, a Barska 3-9x32 or Simmons 3-9x40 is a good choice.

 

[gazpacho]

Ditto

I have a VEPR 308, and that mount is the only one that lined up directly over the centerline. It returns to zero every time I reinstall it. In fact, I have 3 identical mounts with different scopes, and all are zeroed for my VEPR.

This mount is even better than the Molot mounts that I tried.

 

[WardenWolf]

The only reason for getting a lower mount is if you're just mounting a red dot. In that case the best option is probably the Midwest Industries mount:

http://www.midwestindustriesinc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_ID=433

They also have options just for red dots and low-power scopes, and yes, it is centered:
http://www.midwestindustriesinc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_ID=447
http://www.midwestindustriesinc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_ID=1102

 

[scaatylobo]

Ak 47 & 74

I asked John Farnam and he sent me to a site where I found side mounts that work [ took a tiny bit of stoning ].

They are made in Belarus and that is the only marking on them,sorry I cant add more but I have had them for 2 years and do not recall where I ordered them from.

They work well and do not lose zero when removed & remounted.

 

[WardenWolf]

The Belarus BP-02 mounts, that you're describing, are well-built but heavy. They also don't sit as low as the UTG mount. I own both, and let's just say the BP-02 collects dust as a spare. The UTG mount is lighter weight and just as good. MUCH easier to adjust, too.

 

[wnycollector]

The only reason for getting a lower mount is if you're just mounting a red dot. In that case the best option is probably the Midwest Industries mount

+1 on that. I have the MI mount w/ TRS-25 on my 7.62x39 Saiga and it works great. It sits low and allows for a perfect cheek weld.

I have the UTG on my 5.45x39 Saiga in order to mount a Vortex Viper 2-7x32 scope. The UTG is an excellent mount for the $$$. Over the past several years, it has been off the rifle numerous times without loosing zero.

 

[Steve in PA]

Same as wnycollector, I have the MI mount with the TRS-25 mounted on my WASR-10. Works great.

 

[WardenWolf]

I'm planning on a PK-A for my red dot solution. Only question is whether I get the Weaver version or shell out more for the Venezuela version that sits lower and has better battery life thanks to using a full-size AA battery. Either way I get something that's on par with an $800 Aimpoint, albeit slightly bulkier and heavier.

 

[YZ]

I'm planning on a PK-A for my red dot solution. Only question is whether I get the Weaver version or shell out more for the Venezuela version that sits lower and has better battery life thanks to using a full-size AA battery. Either way I get something that's on par with an $800 Aimpoint, albeit slightly bulkier and heavier.

Right on.

The UTG console, +1 if the rear sight is not in the way. The standard leaf slider will not be a problem. I did have to shorten the Picatinny top on my UTG to clear the flipover ghost ring sight.

 

[dvdcrr]

I vote POSP. Mostly shoot the rifle with irons and only attach the scope for long shots. They will come back to zero if you slide it forward to positive stop and hold it there when tightening the lever.

 

[dvdcrr]

Scope mounting on an AK is problematic in at least three ways. First is the position of the side rail which is relatively far back on the weapon creating a need for forward offset particularly if using a Warsaw stock. Second is the lack of a solid top mounting surface necessitating the use of the side rail. Third is the position of the rear sight leaf which must be cleared with the scope. Exacerbating factors include canted rails or off center mounts which can lead to an inability to zero the scope for lack of adjustment range. AK rifles in 308 can also shake the scope apart internally. You also have added bulk to the side if using the side mounts making the rifle more unwieldy

 

[WardenWolf]

dvdcrr, really these are non-issues. It's just a matter of buying the right mount and the right rings. And don't buy garbage scopes. The utility of the quick-detach side mount far outweighs any disadvantages, and the system is, in many ways, superior to Western systems.

The POSP scopes are overpriced for what they are. Their magnification is too low and fine adjustment is a pain due to having to undo the set screws on their turrets and then get re-set them without moving them.

 

[-v-]

If a scope can be shaken apart internally on a .308 veper, chances are much better then not that it would be shaken apart on ANY .308 rifle. Junk is junk no matter what rifle its bolted onto.

Wardenwolf: Readjusting the turrets is not necessary to either zero or use the PSOP scopes. I guess if you want the hash marks to be each at zero when your scope is zero'd you'd need to do that, but that's no different than any other scope that uses zero-reset turrets.

 

[WardenWolf]

I have read that the Barska 3-9x32 .22 Magnum scope stands up to .30-06 recoil just fine. As such, that's what I'm planning to use on my VEPR .308 simply because that's what I currently have spare. I was going to use it on my SGL-21, but my VEPR needs it more.

 

[Goju]

A friend of mine has been working on an AK optics mount solution; here is a link to his work.

http://www.sabrewerks.com/

 

[il_10]

I use the BP-02 for an Aimpoint on my WASR, it's rock solid, (though heavy as was mentioned earlier) and returns to zero every time I take it off and put it on. A little cheaper than the competition other than the UTG, too.

 

[WardenWolf]

The BP-02 is honestly inferior. The basic model only has one rail, versus 2 for the UTG, and is much heavier. It also sits a little higher, and is harder to adjust. Its locking surface is also smaller. You wind up spending over twice as much for no gains other than maybe appearance.

 

[dvdcrr]

The scope that shook apart on mine was a leupold. Scopes aren't made for that type of forward shock of the vepr BCG slamming home. Ymmv but don't be surprised if/ when it happens to you. One persons issues are non issues to another, I suppose however you can't deny the fact that a solid top rail machined integrally to the receiver is superior to any mount presently available for the Kalashnikov which lacks this design element. If you HAD to scope the rifle thUTG might be as good as any, I never tried that one. I got rid of my AKs for now because I got tired of those mysterious fliers which woul open up a 1.75 MOA group to 3 MOA. I built me 20" gov. Profile delton with SSA-E trigger and web sling, now I don't worry about fliers anymore. The kid on that Alaska show on his snowmobile got me to thinking seriously about. What if I could only grab one and head off into the snow...

 

[aka108]

I purchased the Kobra red dot sights for my AK's. The scope mount is built as a part of the sight. Mounts to the side rail. 100% repeatable when removed and replaced.

 

[seanie!]

The best mount I've ever used on my AK is the Ultimak. The only issue is it isn't detachable. I went through 2 side rail mounts until I realized my mount wasn't squared on my receiver. It's something to think about.

 

[WardenWolf]

The scope that shook apart on mine was a leupold. Scopes aren't made for that type of forward shock of the vepr BCG slamming home

No offense, but you are wrong. You had a defective scope, or the scope you were using wasn't rated for that caliber. The VEPR bolt group is identical to a normal AK bolt group, and the receiver length is as well. If this was the case, no one, even with an AK in 7.62x39, would be to mount a scope without it giving out. There are plenty of scopes, even inexpensive ones, that handle both the VEPR .308 and 7.62x54R just fine.

 

[ThePenguinKnight]

Same as wnycollector, I have the MI mount with the TRS-25 mounted on my WASR-10. Works great.

Does that MI mount sit low enough for a lower 1/3 cowitness using a red dot? Can you remove the dust cover with it installed?

I have a UTG quick mount with a 3-9x40 for my Saiga, and I've been thinking of getting a second mount to keep a red dot on. I would really like one that mounts low enough to cowitness, and that Venezualan PK-AS looks pretty attractive too.

The side rail is a great solution for scope mounting. It's got some limitations, but my only real complaint is the extra width added by the mount. Nice thing with the UTG mount is that it sits just high enough on my rifle to get the dust cover off and barely squeeze the bolt carrier out of the gun, allowing full cleaning without removing the scope; it's not necessary, as it returns to zero when reinstalled, but still pretty cool.

 

[WardenWolf]

I don't think you can get the dust cover off with the MI mount on. It's just too low. As for co-witnessing, it certainly looks low enough. You should be able to do it if you get a tubular red dot with its own integrated base, such as the ones made by Tasco.

 

[dvdcrr]

I have been a hard core ak fan since I bought my first milled rifle in 1997. Since then I have owned about 8 more stamped units and another milled. I have tried the bp02, kvar04s, Midwest industry dubyamount, TWS dogleg. I have used the Kobra as well. I never found one that was rock solid and centered while allowing you to remove the dustcover for cleaning without removing the optic, and they add some bulk to the side of a rifle. Of the ones I tried the KVAR was overall the best and I used weaver aluminum quad lock extension rings to provide some offset. I was intrigued by the RS red dot mount but didn't try it. Since I am trying a SIG SAUER 556r and aimpoint micro now I am not in the ak game. But if I was getting back into them I would get a SAM7 Bulgarian or 107 with aimpoint and good mount maybe the MI. And a web sling.