Securing firearms w/out a safe?

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Right now I don't have the money for a "real" safe and I am not exactly in a permanent location so a real heavy safe isn't something that I can really justify but I would like to have a way to secure my firearms in case of a break-in. I know that it won't be as good as a real safe but does anyone have any advice besides hiding them? I have some long arms as well as a couple pistols but the pistols are easily hidden so that isn't as big of a deal as the long arms. Right now I am in an apartment and in July I will be moving into a rental house so I can't really do anything permanent.
 
Hide them... If you go with an inexpensive gun cabnet it just makes them easier to find and because it's an apartment you probably don't want to bolt it to anything. Before I had a gun safe I hid them anywhere I could. They were all the obvious places... under the bed, in the back corner of closets, behind doors, next to the dresser, but it's the only option until you have a safe.
 
If you dont have any good hiding places then the next best thing is to make the guns useless. Take all of your hand guns that you dont use for carry and take them apart. Put your slides, cylinders, springs, and bases in different boxes. Hide them as best you can. Most crooks are in a hurry and even if they find a box with slides in them, they will probably leave them be since a slide or base is useless without the other parts. If they do take them, it will be easier for the cops to find your burglar because he will stick out just trying to sell gun parts. Also make sure that you keep a log of all name brands, descriptions, and serial numbers of all your firearms in a book on your book shelf so that if they are stolen they can be put on ncic.
 
One place most crooks won't look, is "inside" a couch, or box spring. While they may look under a mattress, or couch/couch cushions, they are unlikely to look inside them, and they are mostly empty space anyways.
 
Another alternative is to make things too unwieldy to be attractive in addition to keeping them out of sight. Use some plastic coated heavy duty aircraft cable (3/16" or heavier?) looped through receiver/trigger guard & something large/heavy enough to be a pain to move that cannot be easily disassembled or broken. If they don't have a cable cutter, it should be pretty much as secure as the padlock you use. That stuff is a real PITA to cut without the proper tool.

Nick
 
I didn't read the responses so bear with me...

Before I had the money, and the space I had a double long gun case that I secured with a bike chain on a heavy piece of furniture. Do you have any coffe tables or end tables?

It's not much, but unless they break in with lock cutters, they will have to drag a 50 pound table with them if they want to take the case.:evil:
 
Buy a small hand gun safe and secure it some where. Put the bolts in there.

Run cable through trigger gaurds and bolt to somethinh solid.
 
Put a keyed locking knob on your closet door. Instant "security cabinet." Costs $15 for a lockset at Lowe's.
 
A long time ago a friends house was robbed and they stole all his guns, except one. It was hanging inside clothing in his closet.
 
Some folks find a cable lock coupled with an appropriate hiding place a fine compromise.
 
in most cases a thief breaks in looking for whatever he/she can grab and get out with... consequently, they will tend to give up after a short struggle with something they cannot open... even a 140 dollar gun safe can provide enough frustration for the common thief to move on... if you bolt it down.. even better...
 
I call BS. I am sick of hearing people that own firearms say this. They will spend $300. to $2000. on firearms each and not invest on any protection for their stuff when they are not home.

If you own firearms, you need to lock them up and secure them the best you can when not in use.

We need to all be responible firearm owners.


Do it now, surely you can afford a Job Tool Box (different sizes are available)and a couple of padlocks.

Best cheapest lock up can be purchased to places like Lowes and Home Depot for as low as $279. And two people can carry it into your apartment. Fill it and cover it as a table, dog bed, padded seat in the corner, crest at the end of your bed, something.

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I used to cut out pages from an old encyclopedia or dictionary and hide my magazines/ammo in there. Some hardbacks offer enough space to hide something as big as a full sized beretta or revolver, etc. You can buy a cheap little water/fire proof safe from Wal Mart. They aren't the best for keeping them safe, as the locks are a little flimsy, but at least it is better than nothing. Those lil sumbichez are pretty heavy too. To each his/her...../"it's" own.
 
I am not sure if this will hold true for you but most gun shops and shooting ranges here will allow you to "store" your firearm for a small monthly fee. Also, most bank branches provide safe storage (handgun safes) for general storage, but it cost a lot more. Many years ago you could actually hand your firearm in at a Police stations for safe keeping however, in recent years more firearms were stolen from the Police than the public so we avoid storing our firearms with them anymore.

I once needed to hide my firearm, I took the firing pin and spring out as well as the recoil sping and put it a plastic lunch box and concealed it under the cover my washing machine. I live on the third story of a block of flats with no escalator and I figured no one is going to steal it in a hurry.

Buy a gun safe as soon as you can. I have found some good used safes in pawnshops.
 
I think the best place to keep guns, hidden or in a safe is in your cellar. Crooks who break in a house as a rule do not go in the cellar, they can not see if anyone is coming and the is only one escape route. The first floor is the worst.
 
I saw an idea on a blog that will work for handguns. The guy found an inexpensive plastic toolbox that was designed to be locked shut with a padlock.

You might be able to find a container, or even just a bag, that looks like it was made to hold something innocuous like an artificial Christmas tree.
 
Please remember a few things:

If we thought of it, the BGs probably thought of it. Crooks routinely go through bookshelves and shake out books, as many people hide money in the pages. A hollowed out book or those "book safes" are not a great idea.

Those little plastic fire safes have HANDLES; even the dumbest meth-head will grab those FIRST, as they know that's where the good stuff will be. If you have one of those, fill it with rocks and hide your guns elsewhere. If you're lucky they'll grab the "safe" and run.

The job box isn't a bad idea, but again, it has handles. Bolt It Down! Assume you're going to be robbed by 4 healthy, athletic hoodlums and anything under ~ 1000lbs needs to be bolted down. This goes for real gun safes as well. Don't believe me? A pawn shop owner about 15 miles from here was victim of a home invasion by......four 20-something men who all looked like they spent plenty of time lifting weights and running. Unfortunately he was taken by surprise and held hostage so his security system, safes, etc. did no good....

The only things that work are hiding (but you better do a darn good job), and anything that will increase the amount of time needed to make off with your stuff. The steel cable suggestions aren't bad. I wouldn't be surprised to see crooks with bolt cutters ($10 at Harbor Freight!), but a cheap pair would have a tough time with cable. The locks on that job box, though.....
I would attach to something more substantial than the bed, but that might be too destructive for an apartment.....do your best.

I would definitely suggest the disabling idea. They may get your guns, but they won't be able to use them. Most crooks wouldn't be able to figure out how to fix the gun, even if they found the parts. Even something like a recoil spring might be beyond their ability to repair, and very easy to hide. Got an AR? It's pretty easy to pull out the bolt or firing pin, and those parts could go in a LOT of places.
 
I've got a small safe that holds a few pistols. It is bolted to the wall, but wouldn't take but a few minutes to negate. For long guns, I, like you, have no sufficient space to mount a permanent safe. My solution...I have removed the bolts from all my rifles and locked the bolts in the safe with the pistols. The remainder of the rifle lives in a closet in the spare room.

If the criminals nab my rifles, I have not further armed them...unless they get the safe and figure out what bolt goes to what gun.
 
a couple of eye-bolts into studs of a closet with aircraft cable running through the trigger guards and secured with some decent padlocks would help slow down theives....store the bolts for the guns elsewhere....hide them in your nastiest old shoes.

maybe invest in a cheap dresser from the thrift store. drawers rarely go all the way to the back.....cable all the rifles together, put in the back, and lock them to the dresser. then bolt the dresser to the wall.
just think in layers. the more time it takes a theif to get your goodies, the less likely they are to take them.
 
Several posts have referred to "aircraft cable" which I am not familiar with.

Would it be more robust than the heavier Kryptonite type cables?
 
hidden in plain sight

In one of the gun safe threads someone mentioned an ingenious idea that a plumber came up with. He bought an old water heater, took out all the guts and installed a lazy Susan type of rack for his long guns. He fashioned wires and pipes to it, and NO ONE could tell what was really inside when he was done. For his pistols, he rigged up a fake breaker box complete with breakers, wires, conduit, labels, etc. The panel that contained the breakers was hinged to allow quick access. Again, no one would give that a second look.

If you don't have kids in the house, this may be an option for you.

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I found the original post:

"The absolute safest way to hide things is to disguise them as something else. For the cost of even a cheap safe a good handyman can construct a false wall or secret panel. The best one I ever saw was made by a plumber who took the tank out of a defunct water heater and installed the shell in a corner of his basement. He made a door that opened on the side. It contained a carousel type of gun rack that held about a dozen long guns. With the door closed, you could not tell that it was fake. He even hooked up phony pipes and wiring to it while his real water heater was in the attic.

Another great way to hide valuables (like handguns) is behind a phony circuit breaker box. The one I saw was built into a cinder block basement wall so that it was fire resistant. You could not tell it was false, even if you opened the door, because it had all the breaker switches. They were even labeled like kitchen, den, stove etc. Everything was real, it was just not wired up. Very few people are likely to fool around with a breaker box because of the fear of electricity. If you have even moderate handy man skills and a good imagination you could put something like this together for a couple of hundred bucks or less."

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