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I have a SXS 12ga Mag 'Coach shotty I keep loaded for back-up to my Makarov bed-post gun.
right bbl hi-brass #6
left bbl magnum #1 buck.
right bbl hi-brass #6
left bbl magnum #1 buck.
Self Defense: 00 vs. #4
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Daniel1120
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Why has no one mentioned the federal 34 pellet #4 buck?
Ive got a stash of 00, 1, and 4 buck. Every couple months I change my mind and switch loads. 34 pelet #4 in there right now. Might not throw as tight of a pattern as 00 or 27 pellet but with my intended ranges it won't matter anyways.
Ive got a stash of 00, 1, and 4 buck. Every couple months I change my mind and switch loads. 34 pelet #4 in there right now. Might not throw as tight of a pattern as 00 or 27 pellet but with my intended ranges it won't matter anyways.
leadcounsel
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rbernie
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9 pellet (low recoil) 00 for me, thanks.
41 magnum fan
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Same here.
There are better deals going on the 00 right now so I think I'm just going to go ahead with that. If I find a good deal on #4, I'll pick that up too. It seems like they are both good and I'm not really missing out going with either one. Thanks for all the help.
Gunfighter123
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Another vote for OO !!!
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Thank you rbernie (mod). Its nice to know that some of the "higher-ups" around here actually think the same way I do...on occasion anyway.
AKElroy
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Across an average room of 10' to 12', 4 buck, 2 buck, or bird shot for that matter, will not spread much. Aiming is still very much required. I am paranoid, and apparently somewhat self abusive in that I have endured enough 3" 2oz 00 buck loads to feel comfortable with the load for defense, even though most would suggest 2 3/4" loads.
sqrlsnestx4
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Don't for get 6 shot
I have yet to test this theory but I have heard that the lighter shot like 4,5,and 6 shot won't penatrate 2 layers of sheet rock. I would say that is important on 2 levels 1.) your loved in the house don't get hurt and 2.) bad guy will be close enough it won't matter dead bad guy. And you can buy a box of 25 for 5-7$ and the recoil is a lot less.
I have yet to test this theory but I have heard that the lighter shot like 4,5,and 6 shot won't penatrate 2 layers of sheet rock. I would say that is important on 2 levels 1.) your loved in the house don't get hurt and 2.) bad guy will be close enough it won't matter dead bad guy. And you can buy a box of 25 for 5-7$ and the recoil is a lot less.
billw_willy
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I cast 00 buck, slowly in a Lee SC 0.33" mould, just bought a #4 buck mould, 6 cavities in each side of the mould, no sprue cutter and hope to buy another in 00 buck, 32 cal later when the mould has a sprue cutter. I reload my 12 ga shells and can load a low velocity low recoil load if I want rather than the abusive recoiling heavy loads. I also have 4 slug moulds and find them all accurate enough at 25 yds in a smooth bore unless I use a rifled barrel for longer ranges and I haven't tested any slugs beyond 50 yds. I see no reason to load whatever buck sizes suits your needs. All of them are deadly dangerous at any velocity, range limiting as usual.
billw_willy
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I have loaded 12 "00" pellets in 2 3/4" shells with 22.0 gr Unique, about 1150 fps, slower than factory loads, and also 9 pellets with 18.0 gr Red Dot, still slow muzzle velocity compared with hotter factory loads. A load was recommended by NRA, 1 1/2 oz load of bird shot with 23.0 gr Unique and any shell or wad in an old issue of AR I used for many years with #5 shot on all small game, deadly load and few misses or wounded squirrels, rabbits or birds. I assume the same weight of buck shot and slugs is safe to load and have done it for many years. I can load 3" shells for my 870 but really don't need 3" shells, load 2 3/4" in my Win M97 smooth bore.
Vern Humphrey
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I have tested it. In my Ithaca Model 37, #8 shot will not penetrate when fired from my 20" smoothbore barrel. From my 26" barrel with full choke, it leaves a rathole on both sides of a 2X4 and sheet rock mockup.
Vern Humphrey
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"Any kind of birdshot for HD will do fine. Not to be macabre, but it is also a surgeon's nightmare. This reminds me of caliber arguments. I always ask myself "What would I like to be shot with at close range?" "
No offense meant, but this is an example of what students of decision-making science call "The mother of all foul-ups." This consists of making two mistakes; first, selecting an inappropriate decision-making criterion; and second, applying that criterion to only one course of action.
The goal in self-defense is to stop an attacker, not to do something the attacker likes or doesn't like. No one in his right mind wants to be shot -- even with an air rifle. But that doesn't make an air rifle the ideal self-defense weapon.
A shotgun loaded with birdshot may or may not be effective. In my own tests, my Ithaca Model 37 with the cylinder-bore slug barrel will pepper a backstop at 15 feet with number 8 shot, showing patterning and penetration that is clearly not capable of stopping a determined attacker. With the full choke barrel, it will go through two sheets of wall board, and might (I say might) do the job.
After testing, I decided to use buckshot or slugs exclusively for self-defense.
No offense meant, but this is an example of what students of decision-making science call "The mother of all foul-ups." This consists of making two mistakes; first, selecting an inappropriate decision-making criterion; and second, applying that criterion to only one course of action.
The goal in self-defense is to stop an attacker, not to do something the attacker likes or doesn't like. No one in his right mind wants to be shot -- even with an air rifle. But that doesn't make an air rifle the ideal self-defense weapon.
A shotgun loaded with birdshot may or may not be effective. In my own tests, my Ithaca Model 37 with the cylinder-bore slug barrel will pepper a backstop at 15 feet with number 8 shot, showing patterning and penetration that is clearly not capable of stopping a determined attacker. With the full choke barrel, it will go through two sheets of wall board, and might (I say might) do the job.
After testing, I decided to use buckshot or slugs exclusively for self-defense.
I'm no expert when it comes to self defense loads. I've been broken in on once and fortunately my weilding a handgun was enough to scare the intruder away. Best I can guess is that he was wacked out on crack or something similar. The damn fool nearley soiled his pants when I stepped out of total darkness, from behind a door, and stuck my pistol barrel up into his nostril. I wispered to him that I could take the entire back of his head off with the squeeze of a trigger. Well enough of the Dirty Harry crap, I was more scared than he was!
Anyhow... I let him go and he ran like noone I've ever seen run before or after. But a friend who is into security and moonlights for a bail bond company told me that he loads his 12 SG with nothing but 00 Buck in winter time. During the summer months pretty much anything works well enough. But during winter people often dress heavier. At times with an under shirt, shirt, sweat shirt or hoodie and a coat on top of all that. If they have a leather jacket on it's eeven more difficult for the smaller pellets to penetrate. Whereas with 00Buck, even fully dressed with leather, the pellets will find their mark.
But like I said I'm no expert and hope I never am faced with having to fire on a human being. I don't want to meet my maker with that on me. But what he says kind of makes sense.
Any thoughts on this? I would appreciate more input because I just don't know for sure.
Anyhow... I let him go and he ran like noone I've ever seen run before or after. But a friend who is into security and moonlights for a bail bond company told me that he loads his 12 SG with nothing but 00 Buck in winter time. During the summer months pretty much anything works well enough. But during winter people often dress heavier. At times with an under shirt, shirt, sweat shirt or hoodie and a coat on top of all that. If they have a leather jacket on it's eeven more difficult for the smaller pellets to penetrate. Whereas with 00Buck, even fully dressed with leather, the pellets will find their mark.
But like I said I'm no expert and hope I never am faced with having to fire on a human being. I don't want to meet my maker with that on me. But what he says kind of makes sense.
Any thoughts on this? I would appreciate more input because I just don't know for sure.
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